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ih8sharts

Since the rise of terrorism, people have accepted the loss of personal freedoms disproportionately to the actual danger of getting hurt or killed by an act of terror.

joecavalry

Freedom is not overrated. Freedom allows people to do what they want, live the best life they can, say what they want, live where they want, etc. Also, @ih8sharts , you can make an image show up on the homepage for your Debate by uploading an image to the Debate body.

ih8sharts

joecavalry said:

Freedom is not overrated. Freedom allows people to do what they want, live the best life they can, say what they want, live where they want, etc. Also, @ih8sharts , you can make an image show up on the homepage for your Debate by uploading an image to the Debate body.

Thanks for the heads up on the image. However, I am somewhat technologically challenged.

I agree that freedom is an extremely important aspect of being human. That's why I am so disappointed that people allow their governments to chip away certain freedoms in the name of safety. This explains my refusal to vote for any fear mongering candidate.

ih8sharts

@joecavalry
Never mind, figured it out. Cheers.

MayCaesar

Fundamentally, freedom increases the room for action, simultaneously increasing the room for mistake. It decreases the degree of order, simultaneously increasing the degree of uncertainty. Many people are not happy with this trade-off: as biological creatures, we are inherently opposed to taking risks, and most of us feel more comfortable when we aren't faced with the necessity to perform complex decision making with a lot of unknowns in our everyday life.

Unfortunately, the individual and societal growth happens to only occur rapidly exactly in more chaotic and uncertain environments. When we are deprived of choice, of uncertainty, of risks, then we accumulate little experience to learn from - this is where the term "statism" comes from, characterizing systems with increased focus on security as static, immobile, conserved in the bubble of security.

This is one of the catches-22 of our species. We need safety to be comfortable using our freedoms, but we cannot have those freedoms if we focus on safety.

ih8sharts

MayCaesar said:

This is one of the catches-22 of our species. We need safety to be comfortable using our freedoms, but we cannot have those freedoms if we focus on safety.

I guess you are right.Since humans are basically herd animals we still prefer to eat trampled grass in the safety of the herd over eating fresh grass by our self and risk getting eaten by a lion.

someone234

I will say completely and wholeheartedly that I want absolute freedom and believe me when I say I know how to achieve it without sacrificing security.

All spying on all at all times is the utopia that they don't want you to hear about because it is both sustainable and doable now that the Internet is becoming something we have on us at all times.

ih8sharts

someone234 said:

I will say completely and wholeheartedly that I want absolute freedom and believe me when I say I know how to achieve it without sacrificing security.

All spying on all at all times is the utopia that they don't want you to hear about because it is both sustainable and doable now that the Internet is becoming something we have on us at all times.

If you think "All spying on all at all times is the utopia," we have very different definitions of the word freedom. Sounds more like 1980s East Germany to me.

someone234

@ih8sharts It has never ever been done before. This is everyone spying back on those who are spying on them.