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YeshuaRedeemed

This quote by Mr. Gandi still rings true today. Many Christians could not Jesus their way out of a paper bag in my humble yet angry opinion. I am still living in fear because I truely am a progressive and disagree with mainstream Christians on so many things. Take gay marriage. If you don't like it, don't marry a gay person. Life begins when babies have brainwaves, I support single payer healthcare because in my opion from what I have read in the KJV Bible, Jesus healed those who have nothing. I support racial unity which states we are all one human race. Stuff like that.

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YeshuaBought said:

This quote by Mr. Gandi still rings true today. Many Christians could not Jesus their way out of a paper bag in my humble yet angry opinion. I am still living in fear because I truely am a progressive and disagree with mainstream Christians on so many things. Take gay marriage. If you don't like it, don't marry a gay person. Life begins when babies have brainwaves, I support single payer healthcare because in my opion from what I have read in the KJV Bible, Jesus healed those who have nothing. I support racial unity which states we are all one human race. Stuff like that.

I want to take back my vote, how do I do that? I meant YES, .. Christians ARE like their sun-god Jesus.

If Mr. Gandi would have studied the N.T. and the history of the Christian Religion, he would have not made such dumb, .. or let's just say: "uninformed" comment.
The Christian sun-god Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the N.T. So in reality, yes, Christians are just like their Jesus they created.

anonymousdebater

@YeshuaBought ;
This quote by Mr. Gandi still rings true today. Many Christians could not Jesus their way out of a paper bag in my humble yet angry opinion. I am still living in fear because I truely am a progressive and disagree with mainstream Christians on so many things. Take gay marriage. If you don't like it, don't marry a gay person. Life begins when babies have brainwaves, I support single payer healthcare because in my opion from what I have read in the KJV Bible, Jesus healed those who have nothing. I support racial unity which states we are all one human race. Stuff like that. 


Sadly, the quote is very true, since many people who say they are Christians do not act like Christ.

Gay Marriage - My opinion on this is that if Christians do not like gay marriage, then they shouldn't make it illegal because of separation between church and state, but if the state starts demanding that Christians endorse gay marriage by baking a wedding cake for a gay couple, then that is the state going too far.

Abortion - I am against abortion on this topic. Ultimately, this all comes down to the definition of personhood.

Single-Payer Healthcare - I do not know much about this topic, so moving on...

Racial Unity - I believe that some progressives are putting minorities superior to majorities by affirmative action and similar actions.


Different Christians can have different political beliefs, which is perfectly acceptable. However, there are many Christians that do not act like Christ, such as Christian hate groups.

AmericanFurryBoy

@YeshuaBought
First you say you’re liberal, then you say you’re conservative, then you say you’re gay, then you say you’re liberal again. Choose one or the other. And, though many stride to be, I don’t see the Christians around me act like Jesus. They are either normal people leading normal lives, or they are like Jehovahs Witnesses except Christian.

WordsMatter

If Jesus was alive today he would be the biggest hippie communist

MayCaesar

Teachings of Christ were different from the mainstream Christianity, but they had the same totalitarian core: fawning before a large centralised entity. From our historical knowledge, Jesus worshipped the "god" just as much as Christians nowadays do, believing the "word of god" to be the supreme law, and putting the individual second to the abstract rule set bestowed by the deity. 

It is not very different from people in Soviet Union who worshipped Stalin. The Jesus' god may be less bloody than Stalin, but he is still an unbound dictator. And a fictional one at that, so, unlike Stalin, the god never dies, the god cannot be fought, the god cannot be proven wrong via a logical argument.

I would say that every monotheistic religion, no matter what it is about, has totalitarianism of mind and body, and often that of the society and the government, as a necessary consequence. Separation of church from state in this regard was an ingenious decision by the Founding Fathers, as, even as the society as a whole was drowning in religious fundamentalism, it did not manifest in the law very significantly, and it left those few who did not believe in the "god" alone.

Polytheistic religions of the Ancient Greece and Rome were much more harmless in this regard, as multiple gods played the same role in church as the three separated powers do nowadays in the government. The gods competed with each other, and worshipping just one god exclusively was offset by the necessity to appease all gods in order to avoid an ill fate. It is still pretty totalitarian, but it is a relatively harmless form of totalitarianism.

If one truly wants to follow a philosophical framework based on the ideas of liberty and freedom, as Gandhi advocated, then one would have to look into more logic-based frameworks, such as the philosophies of the giants such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus or Diogenes of Sinope - people who, while not necessarily dismissing the concept of gods, had the emphasis on objective cognitive processes, rather than on ritualistic directives with lack of evidence in their support.

ethang5

@YeshuaBought

Gandhi was shot and killed by one of his fellow Hindus. I guess they liked Vishnu but not Gandhi. Had he been more like their God, maybe he wouldn't have gotten shot.

Gandhi has no moral standing to make such a comment.

AlofRI

@YeshuaBought I agree with you, though I am not a Christian. One reason I am not is that so many "Christians" are less Christian than I am! I voted a yes on the "Are Christians like their Christ". REAL Christians are, but the numbers of them are a minority in their own religion. Especially Evangelicals that close their lying eyes to Trumps indiscretions after saying B. Clinton was not fit to be President! In comparison, BC was a pillar of the community! How they can take health care away from those that can't afford it (un-Jesus-like) because they do a few, mostly necessary, abortions (without the help of tax money), is again "u-J-l". That makes our VP about as NON-Christian as that Christian majority. IMO.

AlofRI

@AmericanFurryBoy Why is it necessary to "choose one or the other"?? It USED to be possible to "like" some things conservative while being a liberal. It still IS!
I am that way, though it will be a LONG time before I vote conservative again. It will be a LONG time before, (if ever), they get back to being the GOP after being Trumped.
In like manner, it will be a long time before, (if ever), the Evangelical community gains the respect of real Christians.
Again, IMO.

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AlofRI said:

@AmericanFurryBoy Why is it necessary to "choose one or the other"?? It USED to be possible to "like" some things conservative while being a liberal. It still IS!
I am that way, though it will be a LONG time before I vote conservative again. It will be a LONG time before, (if ever), they get back to being the GOP after being Trumped.
In like manner, it will be a long time before, (if ever), the Evangelical community gains the respect of real Christians.
Again, IMO.

@AlofRI "real Christians", .. as in Roman Catholic, .. right?