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I doubt it, it's irrefutable evidence that the earth is flat and that NASA and friends manipulate imagery of it.SilverishGoldNova said:Nobody's gonna jump on this?
Who said there was an edge?Wake said:@Erfisflat - You and silver can prove beyond a doubt that the world is flat by going out and sailing over the edge. Until you do that you have no argument.
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@CYDdharta Mind explaining what fallacy I used, or else I will asssume you are only flagging it as a fallacy because you are afraid to change your position.
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Let me guess, you didnt read the whole thing? If you go through the images, you will see Earth going from Convex to FLAT.... or Convex to Concave. Which proves that the freefall was recorded using a GoPro fish eye lense, so it is not reliable evidence of a globe, if anything it proves the Earth is flat. However, you have no actual rebuttal to it, and also I never said that the Earth was a ball Rofl.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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So you're basically left with calling the flat Earth stupid?
Geez, your team isnt doing too well. 70-0
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He has no actual rebuttal to the original post, so he's left with dismissing our claims
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The fact that he is tired of using anecdotal/ad hominem fallacies, and wants to go back to red herring/appeal to the stone fallacies. CYD is also using appeal to the stone, but his buddy is the strawman fallacy rather than red herrings. They have no real rebuttal and are afraid to change their position, so they are left with fallacies and marking my comments as.... fallacy.
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Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
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Another curious thing that globe earth proponents virtually ignore is a phenomenon called selenelions.
The fact that a horizontal eclipse or selenelion even exists seriously calls into question the origins of lunar eclipses. A selenelion occurs when there is a lunar eclipse but the Moon and the Sun are both above the horizon. This is not geometrically possible. Without bias, hopefully you have basic knowledge of geometry and how shadows work, watch this selenelion, that even the commentator can't explain because he is assuming his model correct.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
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"I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread."
If there were even the slightest chance that the earth were flat, would you want to know?
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I read your post just fine. Rather than state what you believe causes the shadow yourself, you sidestepped into explaining what (some) other people have believed causes the shadow. This is not an answer to the question I asked, I'm sure fully aware of that.
Are you aware that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character? Your quote came from the mind of Arthur Conan Doyle, a man who was fooled into thinking that Harry Houdini had magical powers (which eliminates the concept within that quote).
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Actually I mean reading comprehension problems, if you had reading incomprehension, we'd likely not be having this conversation, but I digress.
You've ignored the fact that I've eliminated the possibility that the earth comes between the sun and the moon. What exactly does, I haven't presently decided from a lack of evidence. You tell me. What blocks the light of the sun on the moon in an eclipse?
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The Earth blocks the Sun and causes the shadow on the moon.
I'm also curious as to what flat-earthers think the Sun actually is, because a giant light-radiant ball doesn't fit into the flat Earth model for a focused area of light only being shone on a limited area of the flat Earth at any one time.
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As for what it is, I like what Eric Dillard has to say about it. Though he does assume it's still 93 million miles away.
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As for that guy Eric Dollard, I love how he kicks asteroid-sized holes in his own theory - He says the sun is invisible when viewed from outer space, giving off no light. He says the planets are all visible though (even though there's no light being cast on them).
He also makes no comments on the shape of the Sun, which is what my question was about.
You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?
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"You think that spherical objects, floating freely in space, have an up or down? Read your post out loud to yourself again and just try to imagine that."
Yes, in relation to where the observer is, there is an up and down. I realize that the priests of heliocentrism has convinced you that there is no up and down but the observer is not in space. You're desperately dodging the obvious.
"You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?"
Yes. I know the earth is flat because I have empirically measured it to be so.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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If you've ever observed the moon's cycle, you'll have noticed that the shadow encroaches neither from the side nor the top or bottom, it comes in at an angle, slightly diagonal. This is because of the orientation of the Moon's orbit in relation to the Earth's axial rotation (this rotation is also at an angle).
I have two questions for you, if you'd be so kind as to answer them;
- How did you measure the Earth and would you mind sharing your calculations?
- Purely out of curiosity, what do flat-earthers think makes the tide come in and go back out?
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We aren't talking about the moon's cycles, were talking about selenelions, remember? As for your questions, I'm pressed for time, can you refer back to the first page or so on this debate? If not I'll answer them asap.
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Actually that is your red herring. From the last post and everything before, we were talking about what could possibly block the light from the sun on the moon. If you're suggesting that the earth causes the lunar phases, I'm going to need you to explain this phase.
Since it is claimed that the selenelion is the earth blocking the light on the moon, I am generally on topic and you are persuing a red herring.
If you would be so kind as to finish this conversation or concede it before moving on to lunar phases, which quite literally have nothing to do with the earth.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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"You think that spherical objects, floating freely in space, have an up or down? Read your post out loud to yourself again and just try to imagine that."
Yes, in relation to where the observer is, there is an up and down. I realize that the priests of heliocentrism has convinced you that there is no up and down but the observer is not in space. You're desperately dodging the obvious.
"You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?"
Yes. I know the earth is flat because I have empirically measured it to be so.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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