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Proving the stars are close
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Neither of those links shows a close up view of stars, it's merely a zoomed-in view using a feeble terrestrial video camera.
Of course, attempting such a thing results in the visual distortion displayed in those links.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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That's why so many millions (£/$) are spent on astronomy optics such as the recently completed HiPERCAM. The quality of the photos from it are astounding but aren't available for public viewing yet.
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We last saw you here.
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On top of the atmospheric effects there's chromatic aberration, scintillation, space debris, the fact that when you zoom in on something even a couple of miles away you're going to lose a lot of detail/visual quality, and all manner of other factors to take into consideration.
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PS:
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-review/nikon-p900-new-king-superzooms
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As for the photo comparison, yeah that's generally how it works - NASA (and anyone else who has multi million dollar telescopes) will have a better view with their equipment. Everyone else with their £20 - £1000 telescopes just get what they pay for.
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I point out the huge and blindingly obvious difference between a cheap astronomy camera and a high-level one, and you try to play the anecdotal fallacy card?
How old are you exactly? I don't mean to offend but your posting style and the way you respond to arguments is characteristic of someone who is extremely young and uninformed.
Are you saying that you think telescopes/cameras that cost more than a few grand don't exist?
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On the subject of NASA;
-Which photos have they admitted to faking? I keep seeing this claim popping up
-Going back to the mars photos/telescope comparison, I believe the one on the right might be a composite photo taken from the mars orbiter
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"The last time anyone took a photograph from above low Earth orbit that showed an entire hemisphere (one side of a globe) was in 1972 during Apollo 17."
This means that
Pictures of earth that are admittedly photoshopped:
1975, 2007, 1997, 2007 (Russian), 2013, 2012, 2002. That leaves us with 2015...
http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/space/finding-sex-on-nasas-epic-earth-image-once-you-see-it-you-wont-unsee-it/
Likely a fake (which also calls into question the rest of the "photos" from this "satellite".
And 1972, which they were caught red handed faking. (The whole film exposes a lot of NASA trickery, but skip to 34:00 to see the faking of earth photos)
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"The last time anyone took a photograph from above low Earth orbit that showed an entire hemisphere (one side of a globe) was in 1972 during Apollo 17."
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Are you aware of NASA' s involvement with vr technology?
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http://www.telemetricsinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:splashmedia-&itemid=54
http://www.telemetricsinc.com/case-studies/johnson-space-center
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=42888
NASA's VR camera malfunction shows guy in the background with his wire harness unsuccessfully edited out, hand going through a hat, and VR object camera malfunction causes guy on the left to handle invisible object.
If they can do this with their virtual reality cameras, who's to say they haven't put VR chips in all of the multimillion dollar telescopes to make you see whatever they want you to see? It's pretty obvious to me at this point.
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You set a baseless (false) premise that the Nasa video you showed was staged using VR instead of live action footage. You concluded that if they can do this, they could well be putting "VR chips" into multi-million dollar telescopes. This is a deductive fallacy.
What else is so ridiculous about it? The very fact that you used the term "VR chip" shows that have absolutely no idea about the subject. Not only that, why would NASA try to fake video footage with something that's more costly and less visually convincing than other alternatives, such as filming inside a zero-G descent plane.
Why on Earth would a VR character in the background need a harness anyway? I mean, come on it's like debating with an eight year old when you come out with stuff like that.
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https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/57000/57723/globe_west_2048.jpg.
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"If your post is self evidently ridiculous in the first place, then I don't think my ridiculing it can be a fallacy."
Of course, you at first thought the idea of a flat earth was ridiculous, but you have disappeared from that debate and still have not given conclusive that you are riding a spinning pearoid through an infinite vacuum, which I think is ridiculous. But I have addressed your arguments and you dropped everything. If I were to ignore
"You set a baseless (false) premise that the Nasa video you showed was staged using VR instead of live action footage."
It's not baseless, ive given my argument and evidence for that claim, all I've heard thus far is "that's ridiculous". Whether or not it is false is yet to be decided. Since you work in this field, maybe you can clear up this mystery for us with a conclusive, coherent and logical rebuttal.
"You concluded that if they can do this, they could well be putting "VR chips" into multi-million dollar telescopes. This is a deductive fallacy."
I've given my argument and reasoning for my claim with verifiable evidence. You've largely ignored that argument and instead are ridiculing my argument to dodge addressing it, all while trying to claim that I'm being fallacious.
"What else is so ridiculous about it? The very fact that you used the term "VR chip" shows that have absolutely no idea about the subject."
I've never claimed to be an expert on the subject, but the evidence and argument is sound enough to deserve a response nonetheless. This is a corollary of an appeal to authority fallacy.
"Not only that, why would NASA try to fake video footage with something that's more costly and less visually convincing than other alternatives, such as filming inside a zero-G descent plane.
Vomit comets were the only way to fake zero g before, AR is NOT less visually convincing due to the time restraints between dives. Using AR, this is eliminated. This is just one reason AR is more convincing than comet comets, simply for the longer shots. Do you have any good reason that vomit comets are more convincing than AR?
"Why on Earth would a VR character in the background need a harness anyway? I mean, come on it's like debating with an eight year old when you come out with stuff like that.
Nobody said the character is VR, his harness, had the malfunctioning camera acted right, would be edited out.
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So it is a genuine NASA image, good. Next question is, do you know what a composite image is?
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So it is a genuine NASA image, good. Next question is, do you know what a composite image is?
It's where the take scans of the flat earth from a drone or other high altitude device and project them onto a ball.
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I posted, as a footnote, a meme about NASA, and Joe ended up focusing on that and turned the debate into NASA admitting to faking images 2.0.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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