In order to understand this proof, we must consider an everyday observation. Abiding by the scientific method is the only way to know the truth about the world around us, and practical experiments, daily observations and measurements are the most rewarding of the scientific field, so on with the observation.
Imagine you are in a vehicle headed west at sixty miles per hour and there are other vehicles going both in your direction and easterly at 65 miles per hour.
Now, relative to you, the cars going in your direction are travelling at 5 miles per hour, and the cars going east are moving at 125 mph, though they are all moving at the same speed. Keep this in mind when you consider this.
In this image, the earth, sun, and moon are seen from overhead, or the earth's north pole. Obviously, since the sun and moon follow a relatively similar path, the path of the earth's orbit, it's spin, and the moon's orbit are planar, or flat, and are aligned with each other, with some slight offset, largely irrelevant to the proof.
The earth's orbit is seen in blue, the moon's orbit is in white. The sun is also allegedly in orbit around the galaxy, but for simplicity's sake, we'll keep him stationary. The small arrow to the right of earth is path A, and an imaginary one mirrored on the left, between the sun and earth is path B.
You may can figure out what I'm getting at now.
The moon's path A would represent the cars going in the same direction, and path B would represent the eastward bound motorists. So why does the moon travel the same speed twenty four hours a day, seven days a week? Does the moon have it's own gas pedal and consciousness enough to use it to remain at a consistent speed, relative to the earth's motion around the sun?
What happens to the moon when it gets in front of the earth on it's path? Has gravity become a magical
repellent force for those few days of the month?
Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.
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I mean you haven't even really given enough specifics for me to get into detailed criticism, but it looks like your your comment about the earth repelling you don't understand the concept of momentum. It doesn't continue in the same direction because Earth's gravity is pulling it and changing its course. It maintains a consistent speed because forces have equal and opposite reactions as per Newton's third law so the pulling of the earth of the earth into a new direction cancels out some of its momentum which was causing it to travel in the opposite direction resulting in a circular motion.
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This is an appeal to the stone fallacy so far.
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Ergo by admitting all you have is an analogy, you admit you have no proof.
Any fool can have an opinion and can present that opinion via analogy, that doesn't make it right or relevant. Don't bother to @ me unless you're going to actually respond with proof like your thread title claims.
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I am confused with what you are trying to say.
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Firstly, there is no proof in science, this is a colloquialism, there is evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
"So why does the moon travel the same speed twenty four hours a day, seven days a week?"
In relation to what? The moon relative to the Earth is traveling at 2,288 miles per hour.
The Moon is traveling about 67,000 mph relative to the sun.
Velocity Is relative.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relmot.html
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It would take a change in velocity relative to the sun for there to be any change when the Moon passes in front of the Earth's direction of motion, as it's also the Moon's direction of motion. The Blue line in your diagram represents the velocity of both the Earth AND Moon in relation to the sun. They are traveling in at the same speed and direction, there's no logical need for the Moon to slow up or down if this is true.
To state simply, the Earth is Stationary in relation to the Moon. Without a change of velocity, there's no reason for this to change.
http://www.physicstutorials.org/home/mechanics/1d-kinematics/relative-motion
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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My understanding or lack there of doesn't change the fact that the moon and earth share the same velocity in relation to the sun.
You would still be wrong either way.
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Why do two objects moving the same speed and direction not collide?
Basic Physics.
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It is a fault not only of his own doing but of the attitude of old Flat Earthers to the original Round Earthers. Then in retaliation the round Earthers taunt and bully the flat Earthers but don't burn them at the stake so thank you for the mercy.
The issue I have is that when you are on the defensive emotionally, you are never on the offensive intellectually. Please open up and I will have nice chat with you. You will be a valuable asset to the cause.
Let's observe what Erfisflat argues here.
He explains that the moon is zooming around the Earth but that as it moves away and toward it always looks the same. Same side, same distance from Earth same everything. He asks how this can be happening and why other big objects don't influence its orbit by pulling it here and there as it rotates the Earth.
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Emotions are irrelevant.
The Moon and Earth are traveling at the same speed and direction. This argument only makes sense if this were untrue.
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The hostility and fervour with which you so vehemently defend Round Earth and the Outer Space conspiracy is the way you will eventually defend the truth.
Ask inside yourself 'am I ready to question everything I was ever taught?'
If the answer is a resounding 'yes' that glows within you, then ready you are my fellow warrior of the truth.
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No, Emotions do not matter, literally. They are unable to change facts.
You cannot provide any evidence that this argument works.
Take the original post, if the moon orbits the earth, and the earth orbits the sun, that places the Earth and Moon at the same velocity around the sun. Therefore negating any reason for a change in speed.
Objects moving the same direction and speed mathematically, cannot collide.
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Questioning whether the model is the real one or not is where Erfisflat is trying to get at.
You are angry not because emotions don't matter. You are so angrily saying that they don't matter because they matter and you are suffering in your rage.
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The only one bringing up emotion is you, they are irrelevant.
So if the model is incorrect, then prove that the Earth and Moon don't travel around the Sun at the same Velocity, and you have a case.
But this was admitted in the original post, as stated, he admits the Earth orbits the Sun, and the Moon orbits the Earth. He states this is true, therefore giving Earth and the Moon the same velocity in relation to the Sun.
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How can we prove it? The underworld of the North Pole will not let us expose them.
I tell only my emotional journey to the truth and the truth requires passion to fight against deception in order to maintain within one's mind.
When I came to this site, I passionately explained to Erfisflat how the Earth is Round and looks flat because of perspective and how a 3-D being can't perceive in 2-D. I then began to understand some things.
Aliens are not from the sky they are from underground. They rise via the North Pole's portal have no doubt.
We are level 3 of a 9-level complex. 3rd level, 3rd dimension, 3 branches form the North Pole (one towards Australia, the other towards South Africa and the last to whatever nations are on the bottom of South America). The Trident of Poseidon is related all the way through to other mythologies (Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto are the triforce of the demigods in Roman mythology). Understand that the devil will deceive you, understand that it will never be easy to see past deception, especially government-level deception.
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"How can we prove it? The underworld of the North Pole will not let us expose them."
Then this isn't proof. The original claim may be dismissed.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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No, evidence does, and you just admitted to not having any.
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I look at the evidence and piece the puzzle together, I don't just take a model for granted.
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Irrelevant, as the original poster stated the model of Earth orbiting sun, and moon orbiting earth was the one he subscribed to. You cannot change that for him.
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"It seems like most everyone misunderstood the evidence in sight of a typo in the Op. The earth is allegedly always in motion. Where the moon is now in the illustration, the moon would be in a race with the earth in it's path on the never-ending racetrack around the sun. Where the arrow is in the alleged orbit of the moon is where the moon would be going in the opposite direction than the earth."
This is incorrect, as you stated, the Earth orbits the Sun, the Moon orbits Earth. This places both objects at the same velocity in relation to the sun. Therefore, No collision can take place, mathematically so. Objects moving the same speed and direction cannot collide.
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Your argument makes no sense. The Moon rotates around the Earth at an almost constant rate. Just look at this site: http://www.f-lohmueller.de/pov_tut/animate/anim112e.htm
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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This is still incorrect, as the Moon is traveling at a constant 2,288 miles per hour in relation to earth, in an orbit.
The Earth is Stationary in relation to the Moon.
No collision can take place.
Relative motion completely refutes this idea. It's one of the most basic concepts in physics.
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Exactly as I stated, you've ignored the motion of the earth. You've assumed and even bolded, that the earth is stationary.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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There's no reason for it to. Objects traveling at the same speed and direction don't collide, mathematically so.
One object in a stable orbit of of another cannot collide, mathematically so.
An object stationary relative to another cannot collide, mathematically so.
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Why doesn't the moon fall into the Earth if it's being pulled in by Gravity?... It has no real motive to resist the Earth!
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Then you've answered your own question. There is no collision, as the Earth is stationary relative to the Moon.
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Because that's not how physics works. Velocity is relative.
What you're proposing would require a change in velocity, through an outside force acting on moons and planets to cause a collision.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Why would it be hard to believe the moon is tidally locked? You see the same face of the moon regardless of time or place on earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking
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