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A charter flight left the U.S. carrying 8 Iraqis. A community wonders who will be next.
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For one 46-year-old father of three, it was a drug conviction when he was a teenager that landed him in prison for 15 years, stripped him of his green card and earned him a deportation order "
That seems realy cruel to deport him after all this years
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I am generally supportive of these deportations though, but sounds like there are major complications.
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“I’m honestly terrified of these ICE officers. I think about suicide all the time,” said Walleed Albiraihi, 30, a Shiite Muslim whose family fled Iraq when he was 2 and whose deportation order stems from a marijuana-possession case at age 17. “You’re sending me to another country. . . . I don’t speak like them, I don’t dress like them. I have nobody in Iraq.”
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If that's justice, Then i want no part in association with the society that deems it 'just' To do these things.
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An urgent programme of repatriation must be implemented forthwith supplemented with strict immigration controls.
The 'sanctimonious bleeding heart brigade who will sit atop of the high moral ground bellowing about how inhuman such policies would be must be ignored.
Mostly these ''do gooders'' live in the leafy lanes of suburbia and have no idea how these aliens are ruining the lives of 10s of 1000s of American citizens.
The degree of liberalism afforded to any problem is always in direct proportion to the distance from the said problem.
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The first programmable computer was invented by Englishman, Tommy Flowers at Britain's decoding centre at Bletchley Park, England during WW2.
Almost every invention and discovery which served to enhance the advancement and welfare of mankind was done so, in the main by those of European descent.
These include ''THE COMPUTER'', the internet, the language in which we're all communicating, the internal combustion engine, the diesel, the jet engine, space going rockets, the automobile, the aeroplane, the submarine, navigational aids such as the sexton, the telescope, the camera, the telephone, television, the radio, radar, sonar, the fountain pen, the ball pen, modern-high yield farming methods, almost all life saving and pain relieving drugs such as penicillin and aspirin,proper hygiene practices such as antiseptics, modern surgical operating techniques including the use of anaesthetics .
The list of inventions made by white men is truly endless and graphically illustrates their superior qualities of innovation and insatiable quest for knowledge.
These indisputable truths also highlight that the rest of the world, including the Arabs to whom you referred would still be living in the dark ages without ''the higher intelligence of those of white European origin.
It also emphasises that we could continue to prosper, probably more rapidly, without the presence, or even the existence of other races and/or ethnic groups.
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Please don't give me the 'White mens invention list is endless'
https://archive.org/stream/1001Inventions-TheEnduringLegacyOfMuslimCivilization/1001Inventions-TheEnduringLegacyOfMuslimCivilisation#page/n15/mode/2up
As for @CYDdharta If they did the crime in america, Then they should be deported, If they did the crime in Iraw, Why should they be deported?
And why aren't americans deported to europe? America is the one country that has immigrants calling natives, IMMIGRANTS. Did you people forget who founded america? http://www.islamicity.org/6062/1421-the-year-a-chinese-muslim-discovered-america/
You're deporting the same people who created the nation you stand on.
This is absurd, Absolutely abs
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1) did Chinese "discover" America before Columbus? Maybe. The evidence maybe there. http://www.economist.com/node/5381851
However, the Chinese, having discovered the extent of the world, did not exploit it, politically or commercially. After all, Columbus's discovery of America led to exploitation and then development by Europeans which, 500 years later, made the United States more powerful than China had ever been.
So even if Zheng He discovered it,it had no real bearing on World history - Columbus had. I see no mention that Zheng was muslim in economist article, but even if he was, thst is mildly interesting at best.
2) I don't see Pino bring white supremacist based on his comments. His statements are factual. It seems that you are trying to argue a point about contribution of Arabs to the society. I support your opinion that Arabs undoubtedly had meaningful inventions (including numbers system), but at the same time we know that Europeans and Americans had far more inventions than Arabs. In any case, that takes this debate completely off topic. We are arguing if these folks from Irag with criminal records should be deported or not, and IMHO it has little bearing if Arab ancestors invented something useful.
3) it is true that America is based on immigrants, and in our blood there are anscestors from many nations. That said, we accepted accountability by coming here and becoming citizens - we are Americans foremost. So we have protect our country regardless of our prior heritage. That is the key point. If a criminal violates that trust, he/she deporting him back is a reasonable approach. I agree with you that it's not clean cut, and we can debate practical elements of that. I was also disturbed by the unrest of Iraqi-American community that is highly concerned about deportations - many of them I am sure are great people. That said, that is a side issue, and I certainly don't think it's absurd to deport them.
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Can you link me a source for the inventions? [Not sarcastic, I'm just interested]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/06/8-inventions-we-can-thank_n_6424836.html
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/
these are pretty important, but the list is rather short given explosive pace of innovation in the last 100 years with Internet, technology, industrial revolution, etc..most of which was American, European.
Again, I am not taking away from Muslims for the credit to our society.
Regarding deportations, I understood that the 8 deported wete based on crimes committed in the US. The article even outlines some specific stories.
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As for the inventions, http://www.aquila-style.com/focus-points/muslimlifestyle/the-contributions-of-muslims-to-medicine/16873/
http://www.aquila-style.com/focus-points/muslimlifestyle/the-contributions-of-muslims-to-medicine/16873/
Without muslims, There wouldn't be modern day Algebra.
Without muslims, There wouldn't be Cameras .
According to my source Europe alone invented 34 things,
Here's 19 more muslim inventions, On top of the medicine . http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/muslim-inventions/
here, http://yumtoyikes.com/2016/08/07/inventions-of-muslim-scientists/
Skip the ones that were in earlier links.
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Regarding inventions, thank you as well. These are good examples and I am in agreement that these are all valuable contributions to our society. I will maintain my position that most innovation, especially in the last 100 years comes from non-Muslim world, but again I respect contributions over the centuries from Arab innovators.
Nice debating with you.
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Some inventions made by muslims, Paved the way for better inventions by non muslims. And i agree in the last 100 years, Non muslims have done more than muslims.
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My assessment that you are incapable of sound and reasoned judgement is partially due to your apparent inability to recognise that a criminal is a criminal regardless of where his/her act of criminality was committed.
If we follow your incoherent logic to it's natural conclusion then we must accept that it would be justifiable to grant legal immigration status to serial rapists, mass murderers, people traffickers, pimps, those guilty of acts of deadly terrorism, paedophiles or the perpetrators of any crime, or number of crimes providing they were not committed on American soil.
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But i think you should get off your high horse, And be a bit respectful.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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The genetic supremacy of the race which invented/discovered the vast majority of what goes to make up the modern world must be acknowledged as it is vital that this information is used to restrict the dilution of their superior genes.
An unwillingness to accept and overtly admit the glaring truth, which a shortsighted dimwit on a galloping horse could see from a mile off, does not diminish in any way whatsoever the irrefutable totality of it's accuracy.
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By the way, I wasn't talking about illegal immigrants.
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Why don't we see? But notice how he says 'more inventions'. If so, I'm ready any time. Would you like me to create a debate?
Just remember, Pride is for the ignorant. And arrogance is for the backwards. So stop wasting your time and finger strength, Preaching your arrogance and hate.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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My post to the contrary was only to niggle another party.
To make my position clear I must point that I am passionately anti fascist but have often pondered why so much of the scientific discoveries/inventions were made by Europeans, and also why they were the ones who made the great, perilous adventurous journeys of discovery which led to the nations of the world coming together.
This train of thought lead me to thinking how it was the German nation ( against whom my family fought in WW2, with my uncle being shot down over Leuven Belgium on route to bomb the V2 site at Peenemunde) was so successful as a military power during WW2 that it took the combined military might of the United States of America, the U.K, and troops from it's so called Empire, and Russia to bring the Nasis regime to it's knees.
Then after WW2 when Germany was divided among their victorious enemies and probably the most scorned nation on earth with its buildings and infrastructure no more than a pile of rubble, rose from the ashes to become the powerhouse of Europe, the third largest economy in the world.
Germany, along with Britain and France was one of three recipients of American financial aid through the 'Marshall Plan''.
Needless to say it was Germany which used the American money to the best advantage and left both the U.K. and France in it's dust as it forged ahead.
The most prestigious automobile marques in the world are;- Mercedes, Audi, B.M.W. and Rolls Royce which is now German owned.
These vehicle manufactures, not forgetting Volkswagen, along with German industrial engineering giants such as Siemens and Bosch have swept all before them in Europe and are ahead of most of the low cost labour manufacturing nations of Asia.
If the rest of Europe, and indeed America were as efficient as the ( superior??????) Germans the western economies would all be flourishing.
Is it only by chance or coincidence that this Germanic nation continues to rise to the top of the pile
At the very least the possibility of the superiority of these high achieving people would be worth consideration and even warrant a study to identify the reason for their persistent outstanding performance as a nation.
If you can't beat them, join them.
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