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Should Trump Deport Illegal Immigrants?
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Essentially, the left side of this argument is that it's acceptable to overlook a certain type of crime because of the circumstances involved years after the fact. I'm sorry but I disagree, no circumstances created "After the fact" could possibly excuse you from the long established repercussions for committing a crime.
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i wouldn't.
I agree with you that we should show humanity, and given the impact we can do deportations in stages and have in some cases a legalization process.
Nevertheless, illegal immigration is stealing money from honest american tax payers, who also work really hard for a better way of life for their families.
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I understand the position of the illegal immigrant, it's hard, they had a bad life, they're trying to make a better life...but at what cost? It cost taxpayer dollars to support them, they've broken our laws to achieve their better life, they've spat in the face of our legal system and in the faces of the immigrants who came here legally and what's worse than that is the fact that they're continuously spitting in the faces of those that are currently struggling to gain legal citizenship as we speak. We cannot simply give them special treatment when there are hundreds of thousands of people still in line who DO respect our laws enough not to break them.
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I agree with you.
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It's really simple, we don't cater to illegal immigrants...they eventually go back to where they came from and go about citizenship the right way. T It sounds really harsh I know...but that's really only because we know they're already here...and the fact that they've already committed the crime should not ever be considered as a determining factor in our decision to remove them. Ann Coulter has proposed this very idea and has taken heavy hits for it but in all actuality...she's right, it should have been this way since the beginning.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-do-we-know-how-many-undocumented-immigrants-there-are/
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
You'll like this one, it explains how illegal immigrants get access to Federal Programs that you've claimed they can't get access to unless they're legal: http://www.gao.gov/assets/230/224907.pdf
Here's some great videos on how Illegal Immigrants are getting government subsidized amenities like welfare, WIC, TANF, FoodStamps, government housing ect ect.
But to recap the supposed *Myth* of illegal immigrants collecting welfare: You come to the U.S., have a baby, then the baby qualifies for Social Security benefits, Welfare, TANF, WIC, Medicaid ect ect.
The current pew poll uses an equation that includes the following variables: (U) Unauthorized Immigrants = (F) Total Foreign Born Population - (L) Estimated Legal Immigrant Population. The issue here is how to identify (U) as a quantifiable variable...the problem is that it simply cannot be quantified. Illegal immigrants cannot be counted entirely or even majorly simply due to the secretive nature of their existence in the U.S.. "Excuse me, would you mind telling the Census Bureau if anyone living here is an illegal immigrant"?
So without being able to accurately calculate the number of Illegal Immigrants entering the Country, or how many are here...then how can you accurately calculate how many are leaving? The answer is: You simply cannot. Therefor no one knows with any certainty that there are more leaving than coming and I concede as well that no one can know if there are more coming than leaving...the argument could go on as long as the origin of the Earth and neither side would win...which is why this isn't a debate on how many rather it's a debate on whether they should all be deported and I maintain my stance that they should be.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/27/even-before-trump-more-mexicans-were-leaving-the-us-than-arriving/?utm_term=.ba3f716e0aea
I can not tell you how ironic I find it that you are on the side of "we can't know how many there are" and also on the "they are all using welfare".
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or
being humanitarian and not doing anything
I opt for the doing what's right
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The US is a consumer based economy in that the economy does it's very best when money is being spent rather than saved. When you buy groceries with you paycheck that helps the economy, anything that keeps money moving helps the economy. The reason for this is that supports businesses, and expansion because there is a demand for good as money is in the hands of those who are spending it. Anything that takes money away from this system hurts the economy, and this includes taxes. When the taxes are spent, they go back to being a positive and help the economy. (However that period of time from when you pay them to when the get used still "hurts" the economy) Anyone who saves money hurts the economy because they have taken money out of circulation and made money more scarce. (reduced supply) The economy doesn't care where the money came from, it just cares that products and services are getting purchased.
Now to take all that and compare the 1% versus immigrants. Immigrants (and the majority of Americans) work paycheck to paycheck. This means every dime they get they spend. This is the ideal situation for the economy. The 1% on the other hand save money... they save millions, the 1% of the 1% save billions. This is terrible for the economy. As less money is in circulated, it becomes more difficult for anyone to get jobs, get paid, and spend their money, so the whole economy gets more and more crippled by this. To offset this the federal reserve prints more money, so we have it for circulation. This causes inflation as there is now more money total in the system, the value of each piece is lowered. Then as the new money enters the system, the 1% start grabbing it up, which makes the federal reserve print more, which makes the value continue to drop.
Inflation (the dropping value of our money) is most acutely felt by salary/hours employees. This is because if they do manage to save any money, every year those saving have less and less purchasing power. This makes it more and more difficult for the model of work 50 years, save, and then retire. So we have fewer and fewer people who can afford to retire because of this. If their saving dodged the housing bubble, then what they made 30 years ago isn't worth but about 60% of what it was when they saved it. So to cover that difference they have to get back on the "job" treadmill to make ends meet.
This causes a higher supply of workers in the work force, so the demand for workers drops. When the supply of workers is high companies can afford to pay workers lower wages. This also aggravates the problems with the economy as the poor (who spend every dime) they have less money to spend. As there is less money to spend, the economy drops and business begin to hurt. As they begin to hurt they lay off workers and the problem gets worse. The economy loves people who live paycheck to paycheck and hate people who save. Immigrants live paycheck to paycheck and the 1% saves.
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The 1% of this country don't pay taxes, their highly profitable companies ... don't pay taxes. As they hoard money they are able to pay workers less and less even though productivity keeps rising. So they don't have to spend, they don't have to pay taxes, and all they do is keep getting richer and richer, and hurting the economy more and more. It doesn't matter if immigrants pay income tax, when they spend there money someone else pays it, and as they are being paid under the table they have lower than minimum wages anyway so the amount of income taxes they would have to pay is almost non-existent anyway.
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http://dev1.debateisland.com/discussion/580/illegal-immigration-debate
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On Companies
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/03/07/27-giant-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/20-percent-of-profitable-u-s-companies-pay-no-federal-income-tax/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/12/23/more-than-90-of-us-businesses-dont-pay-the-corporate-income-tax/#215778ec5e48
On individuals
http://robertreich.org/post/151251244330
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/04/as-the-rich-become-super-rich-they-pay-lower-taxes-for-real/?utm_term=.e8b4318276a5
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/how-rich-do-you-have-to-be-to-not-pay-taxes/502817/
https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-taxing-wealthy-americans/
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Before we get into that, see below.
The tax code is broken in the United States, so before we ever argue that a group is or isn't paying their fair share...we'd have to have a reasonable tax code. Our current code is a disaster.
Oh and view this:
And lastly, we can take a look at what illegal immigrants are getting compared to some of the other more deserving citizens of our country.
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It begrudges me to say that I agree with you the current tax code is a disaster.
And then you went there... sigh. A progressive tax code is considered most "fair" in that the people who can most afford to pay taxes "should" pay the most. What that video is references is call the flat tax, and if you do some research you'll find it favors the rich heavily, and it's not "fair". See the problem is this if you have two people and one makes 30k while the other makes 100k when you tax them equally the one making more pays more true, but that doesn't take into account cost of living. If we assume a gentle 1k in rent, and another 1k to cover groceries, car payments, utilities, blah, blah, etc blah then we come up with a minimum of 2k a month or 24k a year. We tax by gross income, so lets say we tax'm both at 20% because the numbers work out well. So 30k pays 6k leaving 24k, and 100k pays 20k leaving 80k. Now we take out basic living expenses from the both 30k > 24k > ZERO whereas 100k > 80k > 56k. So you tax out every dime of the 30k guy, but the 100k still has over half his check afterwards. Make sense?
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I think however, what we're leaving out of this equation is the "Why" portion. From a simple view, if (Let's call him "Bob") Bob makes 30k and (We'll call the other "John") John makes 100k, then it appears that Bob is suffering more than John when it comes to cost of living. We however, haven't taken into consideration "Why" Bob is making substantially less than John. Without taking into consideration "Why", we're insinuating that it's somehow a fault that John's is making higher earnings...why else would you penalize someone more heavily than someone else? Well in this case we need to consider that John (Let's assume he's a hard working American) hasn't done anything wrong, his situation isn't the result of wrongdoing or some sort of exploitation of our system. John could've come from a wealthy family, which wouldn't be his fault. John might've just been in the right place at the right time, which wouldn't be his fault either. Or maybe John's just a really hard working American who wanted the best out of life. Who knows?
The point here is that while no one can deny that John is definitely financially better off than Bob, if John hasn't done anything wrong to obtain his wealth...then what are the moral implications of penalizing someone for being more successful than someone else? Can we really say that "Because you are able to make more money...that means you should contribute a larger percentage of your personal wealth than others who are not able to"? And if we can say this...what else could this standard be applied to? Maybe if John has a better work ethic than Bob then we could require that John pay another Tax designed for those with good work ethics. Maybe if John went to College, we could apply another tax because he's better able to obtain higher paying jobs. I'm sure you can see where this is going.
And cost of living should be considered when creating a Tax code, but making more or less money doesn't change the cost of living. Using your example, if Bob pays 24k/yr in COL (Cost of living) and makes 30k/yr, then John who makes 100k/yr can also pay 24k/yr in COL. Your income doesn't determine COL although they are usually aligned very closely...that's by choice though. So taxes should take into consideration the COL, I think we could agree on that, but making someone pay a larger portion of their individual wealth than another simply because they have more...a spade is a spade and this is honestly Socialism. Government controlled distribution of wealth through a mechanism such as Taxes is the fundamental principle of Socialism. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck.
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See this one instead, create last week by @melanielust
http://dev1.debateisland.com/discussion/767/best-tax-system
both of your arguments were great, btw, but I agree with vaulk on the tax code issue.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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Now again with the fair and unfair of how much someone should pay in taxes. As previously stated this isn't really the correct thread for this discussion so if you want to start another debate on the topic, I'll delve into on that thread with you. But to simplify the argument my position is that if you barely making ends meet then you should be taxes less than the guy who were "able to establish more individual wealth than someone else". I consider this morally right, and completely fair. I mean when we had tax brackets as high as 90% the economy was booming, and everyone was doing better. I wouldn't put the percentages that high again though because of issues with brain drain. (which is a completely different topic hehe)
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The Rich people in this country don't use Welfare. I also included a nicely done chart from the U.S. Congressional Budget Department in my previous post (Please see if you didn't) and it outlines just what's being spent in Taxes by "The Rich". This is not an estimate of what they're supposed to pay, but what was actually paid.
We've argued before over the meaning of words and in this case we might have to agree to disagree.
There has been no false comparison of Illegal Immigrant Foster Kids to U.S. Foster Kids, the comparison is limited exclusively to what the U.S. is doing for each. It could be just my personal opinion but the subject of the matter was not the person or persons in question but the "Funds", "Dollars", "Programs", "Incentives" and "Policies" that are being offered to different people and whether or not there is justification in what is being done with said items.
Comparing homeless Illegal Immigrants to Homeless U.S. Veterans, I can actually see a problem with this comparison. I mean, Illegal Immigrants didn't serve our Country, didn't fight or sacrifice for anyone's freedom minus theirs and their family's. So how could you possibly compare them? Well no one here is actually comparing Illegal Immigrants to Veterans, the comparison is being made to what services the U.S. is offering each.
This is not a question of morality, my personal morality is not in question nor is it the topic of this debate thank you (Ad Hominem). It almost sounds internalized to say this is about Illegal Immigrants versus U.S. Citizens...because that's not what this is about. I'll concede that there is an undertone of division and possibly even motivation in the speaker to attempt to created or drive a wedge...but this isn't conveyed through the information that's being given or the way she's giving it, it's merely derivative of the consistent piece after piece of information about the same thing "What the U.S. is doing for them compared to what the U.S. is doing for us".
If I made a case that the U.S. government is giving bigger school incentives to Homosexual people than Heterosexual people (Totally hypothetical) and I proceeded to point to all the areas that served as evidence to support my position...at some point I have no doubt that the idea of "I don't like gay people" would be perceived by just about anyone, regardless if I actually gave that impression or not. This is a fairly classic case of Hasty Generalization and False Cause, lesser known logical fallacies but fallacies none-the-less. I wasn't making any claim against gay people, my claim was against the U.S. Government and their incentives program being unfair and possibly biased.
So we need to focus on the "Subject" of what the video was about. The person, place, thing or idea that was doing or being something in this video is "The United States Government". What they were reported as doing was "Treating U.S. Citizens unfairly and with severe bias in regards to how much money is dedicated to support them". How is this established? By showing evidence that "The U.S. Government is spending more money to help Illegal Immigrants than its own Citizens in areas where both Citizens and Illegal Immigrants could benefit from the "Same" U.S. program". Examples given were:
1. Education
2. Government Housing
3. TANF
4. Homeless Shelters
5. School lunch programs
6. School transportation programs
So let's stay on topic here and not presume that the subject was "Us" or "Them". The subject is the Govt. and what they're doing.
I'd also specifically shift this conversation to the other side of the problem which is what the U.S. Government is doing with tens of thousands of Illegal Immigrant Criminals each years. 36,000 Illegal Immigrants were released in 2013 according to the Department of Customs and Immigration. These were Illegal Immigrants guilty (In the U.S.) of Homicide, Sexual Assault, Kidnapping, Grand Theft Auto, Assault and dangerous drug possession. Keep in mind these weren't people who served time and left prison, these are Illegal Immigrants who were in ICE custody and were then released back into our Society with the knowledge that they didn't belong here.
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Welfare is giving them something for free. Rich people dodging taxes is giving them something for free. There my be some nuances but what's happening is a comparison of apples to apples.
Doesn't have to be vets or immigrants, doesn't have to us foster kids or immigrant foster kids, doesn't have to be any of those false dichotomies because we can easily afford to take care of ALL of them if you are will to tax the rich you love so well. (even though you are like poor given it takes a net worth of over a million to be rich)
As for criminals... ya sure. Of the 320 million people in this country there are some "criminals". Is this the part where you tell me our justice system doesn't have a LONG history of letting criminals go with little to no punishment? pfft, really? That's not an immigrant problem that a justice system problem, it's not even close to fair and impartial.
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Your Ad Hominem was stating that
This is an overt attack on my Character, no denying it. It's unwarranted, unnecessary and uncalled for regardless of the debate. My response of "Ad Hominem" was specified in my statement
This is me specifying what exactly was an Ad Hominem fallacy. It had nothing to do with:
Coveny said: This is the second Ad Hominem. For everyone else who doesn't know, AD Hominem is when you attack someone's character instead of arguing the point.
And no, Welfare is not giving anyone something for free.
Welfare is: (North American) Financial support given to those who are unemployed or otherwise in need.
My source data for proof of course: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/welfare
Tax Cuts do not fall into the realm of "Financial Support", never have and likely never will. Otherwise you could easily justify telling the poor that we'll financially support them with Tax Cuts...makes no sense.
Insisting that words can mean what you want them to mean is something of a pattern with you isn't it? You're leading me to believe and have given me every reason to suspect that you either honestly think this is what Welfare truly is, or you're comfortable with misleading someone into believing that the word means what you've insisted it means. There's not even a Logical Fallacy that describes this but there is one for the explanation you provided:
Coveny said: This is called the "Definitional Retreat" Logical Fallacy. This occurs when someone changes the meaning of a word to deal with an objection raised against the original wording.
As for your argument concerning what Criminals have done in the past that aren't Illegal Immigrants, well if we're going to go off topic and discuss them then why not bring up Dinosaurs as well? I mean...what about Dinosaurs? We're talking about Illegal Immigrants and whether or not they should be deported, arguing that Criminals other than Illegal Immigrants have been let off in the past as some sort of method of miniaturizing the issue at hand is an attempt at the "Red Herring", a Logical Fallacy that is synonymous with "Misdirection", "False emphasis", "Irrelevant conclusion" and my personal favorite "The Chewbacca Defense". Let's stay on topic here.
So I've provided clear and concise explanations for why your argument is invalid, shall we get back on topic now?
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