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republicans · June 2019

I think that Democrats are the worst thing that could ever happen to this country. They are trying to rip this country away from what it was founded on. In my opinion, Democrats are just a bunch of cry babies who will do anything to destroy President trump. I can not stand them. What about you?

ZeusAres42 · June 2019

@republicans

I think what you're saying is a reflection of black and white thinking and a failure to recognize along the political spectrum that there exist a plethora of people all across the country and world for that matter sharing both democratic and republican views.

republicans · June 2019

I respect all opinions, but I just think that the Democrats ideas are horrible.

ZeusAres42 · June 2019

@republicans

What ideas exactly?

Zombieguy1987 · June 2019

republicans said:

I think that Democrats are the worst thing that could ever happen to this country. They are trying to rip this country away from what it was founded on. In my opinion, Democrats are just a bunch of cry babies who will do anything to destroy President trump. I can not stand them. What about you?

You do realize it's only a small vocal group right? That's why they're called extreme leftists right?

CYDdharta · June 2019

Zombieguy1987 said:

You do realize it's only a small vocal group right? That's why they're called extreme leftists right?

You do realize that that "small vocal group" is in control of the Dem party, right? Dem congressional leaders don't even make a pretense at working with Trump, they're only interested in way to thwart and undermine the administration.

Sharky · June 2019

I was raised a Democrat. Like a good little Democrat, I hated Republicans right up until I watched the Presidential debates of 1980. I was 21 and a college student majoring in International Relations at the time. The Iranians had been holding our hostages for over a year and were humiliating our country because of our feckless, laughably weak President. Reagan offered an alternative that proved irresistible and his Presidency bore out the efficacy of Republican policy positions. I have never looked back. The transition from Obama to Trump was like a deja vu of 1981-83, with the country and its economy turning around at breakneck speed and pride returning to the people who actually love the country.

Karl Marx defined socialism as a transitional form of government between capitalism and communism. I view all leftism as a large funnel where the rim around the top represents traditional liberalism like we used to know here in the US. The cone-shaped body of the funnel represents socialism, with the wide top being occupied by liberal social democracies like those of Western Europe. The narrow, smaller part of the cone would represent the more authoritarian and oppressive regimes like Venezuela, Zimbabwe and Nicaragua. Finally, the narrow neck of the funnel represents the true communist countries in world history like the USSR, Maoist China, Castro's Cuba and Pol Pot's Cambodia. Now, ask yourself, which direction are the old school liberals of the Democrat Party in the US currently headed? If you said, "Down the funnel", give yourself a point. And then ask yourself, once something heads down a funnel, where does it invariably end up going? If you said, "Into the neck", give yourself another point. Never underestimate the tenacity of communists or their determination to prevail in the ongoing fight for economic domination of the world.

Today's Democrats are attempting to take us down a very dangerous road. It is an indictment of our public education system- run almost exclusively by Democrats- that our children are not taught the history of communism in the 20th century. The relationship between socialism and the very communism that slaughtered 100,000,000 innocent people is thoroughly ignored. Finally, anyone who contends that today's American Democrats bear no resemblance to the people who introduced communism to Europe and Asia in the last century is either ignoring history or revising it to shore up Democrats' chances of electoral success.

TKDB · June 2019

Sanders.
Harris.
Booker.
Biden.
Clinton.
O'Rourke.
Warren.
Cortez.

None of these Liberals, will govern in a way that will benefit the United States as a whole, but they will likely govern in a way that suits their liberal fanbases, or constituent followers, and themselves.

Taxing the Rich, is a campaign sales pitch, that panders to their liberal followers.

A Flat Tax, across the country, would benefit the country as a whole.

To put the difference between the Liberals, and the Conservative ideals.

George_Horse · June 2019

They could be better. I agreed with a few of their propositions, but supporting things such as giving illegal aliens free healthcare immediately makes me cringe with revulsion and extreme disappointment.

MayCaesar · July 2019

Democrats until around 2005 - reasonable party advocating for achieving social security and stability by means of limited governmental action.
Democrats from around 2005 to around 2016 - statist party supporting governmental control over economy as a whole.
Democrats after around 2016 - unhinged socialists competing for the medal for the worst economical proposal in the history of the US.

I could not watch their latest debate entirely, because I quickly got a bad feeling in my stomach and had to close the video. I cannot stomach Trump either, but, compared to anything any of the current Democratic candidates have to offer, he seems like a pragmatic option. The only Democratic candidates I can stand at all are Buttigieg and Biden, but the former has very poor campaigning skills, and the latter was bullied at the last debate for being too reasonable compared to others. Pretty sure that, whatever presidential candidate comes out of their ranks this time around, his/her opponent will be a strongly preferred option.

John_C_87 · July 2019

What do you think about Democrats?
They are still bound by a united state, the American Republic, I think their still republican and demonstrate an inability to see whole truth. A woman candidate running for the executive office is a Presadera as united state in basic principle.

ZeusAres42 · July 2019

@John_C_87

How are you defining the whole truth?

piloteer · July 2019

@Sharky

Whatever "economic turnaround" you might be thinking of actually started with the administration that was in office before trump. Remember, it was your man George W who was in office during the great recession. Since you were 21 in 1980, you're obviously old enough to remember your boy George's attempt to "jump start" the economy by giving out checks to everybody (stimulus package) in the hopes that what people bought with those checks would stimulate growth. Lo and behold, that "stimulus package" turned out to be just an advancement on people's tax returns. Needless to say it turned out to be a wash and the great recession took place.

The job growth that trump thinks he caused is just the continuation of the job growth that took place during Obamas second term. On top of that, the unemployment rate for people between the ages of 25 and 54 has gone up since trump took office. Remember, those were the people trump promised to help. The GDP growth is also a trend that started during the Obama administration. The numbers that we see in those places are not insanely better now that your guy is in office. Whatever economic numbers we're seeing today is because Obama was actually able to clean up the mess left by your guy George W, not because of your guy Don.

TKDB · July 2019

@piloteer

None of the Democrats, or Liberals, who are currently campaigning to become the next POTUS, has what it takes govern the United States, as a whole?

But they do have what it takes, to govern their individual followers, or fanbases, by placing aside, the rest of the US citizens, who aren't like minded, like themselves?

John_C_87 · July 2019

ZeusAres42 said:

@John_C_87

How are you defining the whole truth?

complex principle is a whole truth, Truth is basic principle.

WordsMatter · July 2019

In this thread,

A bunch of Republicans who view all Democrats as antifa and Bernie, and a bunch of Democrats who view Republicans as white supremacists and Trump.

There are Republicans both in Congress and people that I personally know that I get along very well with and can support many views with. There are Republicans that I disagree to a crazy standard with. There are Democrats that I agree with on a lot and Democrats that I substantially disagree with. I'm definitely on the left and so far I have been quite a fan of gorsuch on the supreme Court.

I don't like Bernie. I don't like Biden. I like Pete Buttigieg. One of my absolute favorite proposals by Pete was implemented before by a republican, George H. W. Bush. Pete wants to expand student debt forgiveness, a liberal policy, by expanding civil service opportunities in Americorps and the peace Corp. H.W. had his 1,000 points of light. You want free college? Volunteer for the country. You want to immigrate as a poor person? Volunteer into the army.

I don't really understand how people on the right can be 100% against free or cheaper healthcare while also being 100% for tax cuts for the wealthy. Big companies pay no federal income taxes. Probably the biggest travesty of the last few decades has been the Panama and Paradise papers, but neither party cares. If we dealt with off shore accounts that are set up purely to dodge taxes, almost entirely by the rich and businesses, we could fund the programs that Democrats push for without raising taxes which is supposedly the Republican sticking point.

And forget policy, even the cultural battles can get so dumb on both sides over the same issue. The Betsy Rose Nikes. The left led by Kaepernick wanted them gone because the 13 colonies used slaves. So should we get rid of the 13 stripes which represents the same colonies? The right was in a frenzy because how dare you because against any American flag on clothes, that's so unpatriotic. Totalling ignoring the fact that using the flag on clothing or as advertisement is against the U.S. flag code and a misdemeanor in D.C. the right should be the ones against putting flags on clothing!

Bottom line is both sides are filled with diverse views and hypocrites and it's impossible to paint the whole group as anything. If you break down political views into deep nuance with many different viewpoints you can start making judgements, but going 50/50 is pretty pointless and only furthers the divide.

ZeusAres42 · July 2019

I don't really follow the US politics that much and so can't really make too much of a comment. What I have by some US fellows though is that the US left is like EU version of the right.

YeshuaRedeemed · July 2019

I think they have good, and bad points, like any other political party.

John_C_87 · July 2019

The idea of the democrat is the promotional sales pitch on a politics not America. Worded bluntly, a republican is not a political party at all, it is a public statement of whole truth as witness account. Unrealized. Democracy is an idea to lengthen the political process by addressing it as a sporting event with teams. A united state constitutional republic as host addresses the process as just part of the agenda in common defense, “of for the people, by the people.”

John_C_87 · July 2019

republicans said:

I think that Democrats are the worst thing that could ever happen to this country. They are trying to rip this country away from what it was founded on. In my opinion, Democrats are just a bunch of cry babies who will do anything to destroy President trump. I can not stand them. What about you?

Please, if you do not mind explain how Executive Officer Trump preserves the United State in American Constitution for you?

TKDB · July 2019

@WordsMatter

I'm wondering when both the Democrats, and the Republicans finally get together, and create a Flat Tax bill, where every state in the United States, pays their fair share in Taxation?

So instead of finding faults with each other's taxation points of view, why not do the country a favor, and do the simplest thing, and make the Flat Tax bill, a reality?

Isn't in a sense, every political representative, in the country, responsible for their individual budgets?

Being that each political representative, has an infrastructure, and their constituents to take care of right?

Isn't that why they were voted into their respective political offices for?

Because if a political representative, isn't fully carrying out, their elected duties, then why did they campaign to become a political representative to begin with?

So, its nonsensical that every state in the United States, isn't paying their fair share in taxation?

"I don't really understand how people on the right can be 100% against free or cheaper healthcare while also being 100% for tax cuts for the wealthy. Big companies pay no federal income taxes. Probably the biggest travesty of the last few decades has been the Panama and Paradise papers, but neither party cares. If we dealt with off shore accounts that are set up purely to dodge taxes, almost entirely by the rich and businesses, we could fund the programs that Democrats push for without raising taxes which is supposedly the Republican sticking point."

all4actt · July 2019

I am sorry I just can't get on board with any of the social programs that democrates are proposing right now.

Lets look at medicare for all. Lets forget about the companies and thousand of employess that would lose their jobs. Lets consider the fact that medicare does not cover a lot of things that private insurance does. Also they tend to pay a lot less and are slow to pay doctors. This would probably make a lot of the better doctors move to private pay as from what I have been told has happened in other countries which leaves the best care available only to the rich.

Then there is obama care or the "Affordable Care Act" that was not affordable for many who needed it and becausevthey couldn't afford it of course it was a good idea to charge those people $2000 dollars a year. Also to help pay for it they added a higher precentage rate on student loans. This still didn't pay for it so the country had to barrow money adding to the national debt.

I am not completly againsr health care for all I just haven't seen a comperhensive plan that not only benifits all the people including the doctors and doesn't break the backs of the tax payer.

Then there is the attack on corporations. When will people realize that the more money a corporation has to put out whether it is in taxes or cost of goods the more adjustments they will make. Those adjustments may come in a decrease of staff and wages paid out to the price of the goods they put out.

I also can't agree with paying for everyones college education or thier debts. At least not without a good way to pay for it and a plan of who's depts should be paid off. If we are going to pay for people to go to college shouldn't we only be supporting the kids that make good grades and actually graduate. I personally don't want my taxes going to pay for a kid that goes to college and spends their time partying and barely or not passing classes and never graduating. Maybe if they introduce a plan that forgives the loans after they have graduated with good grades and they come up with a reasonable way to pay for it.

Really I don't want taxes raised for programs that do not consider the whole picture.

CYDdharta · July 2019

all4actt said:

I also can't agree with paying for everyones college education or thier debts. At least not without a good way to pay for it and a plan of who's depts should be paid off. If we are going to pay for people to go to college shouldn't we only be supporting the kids that make good grades and actually graduate. I personally don't want my taxes going to pay for a kid that goes to college and spends their time partying and barely or not passing classes and never graduating. Maybe if they introduce a plan that forgives the loans after they have graduated with good grades and they come up with a reasonable way to pay for it.

Additionally, we shouldn't be paying for useless degrees. The federal government shouldn't be paying for degrees in music appreciation or French literature when there are almost no jobs to be had using those degrees.

MayCaesar · July 2019

@WordsMatter

I am neither Democrat nor Republican; I dislike both parties, and I am not aware of a single modern party anywhere in the world with views of which I strongly sympathise. I liked the Pirate Party in the EU parliament until it started collaborating with authoritarians, and I like the economical views of People's Action Party in Singapore, although I cannot stomach their sociopolitical views.

Not sure where this sentiment comes from that only a member of one of these two parties can strongly dislike the other party. I do not need to be a Republican to see that Democrats as a whole are quickly losing their minds, considering what bunch of candidates they have this time around - and I do not need to be a Democrat to see that Trump has hijacked the Republican platform and is quickly pushing it in the protectionist-isolationist direction.

Still, the Republicans appear the saner of the two, and even Trump himself is not all that bad, mostly refraining from meaningful action - as any president should. The Congress was intended to be the real power in the country by the Founding Fathers, and the role of the President has always been nothing more than to execute the will of the Congress and, in other regards, stay out of its way. The president was never supposed to be the agent of change. Trump wants to be one, but as a very experienced CEO understands that more often than not it helps to pull back and just observe. The bully in him conflicts with the CEO, and the CEO wins over surprisingly often.

Sharky · July 2019

@piloteer

Two quick points; first, those of you who continually try to credit Obama with creating the current economic boom do so at the risk of thoroughly discrediting practically everything else you say. Yes, there was job creation and economic growth under Obama but both were painfully sluggish for the entire eight years of his Presidency. The recovery was the worst and slowest in the post-war era despite the fact that the severity of the recession teed it up to be amongst one of the best and most robust recoveries. Tax and regulatory policies are and always have been the key to igniting a strong recovery. Obama was never going to lower taxes or relax onerous federal regulations and that is why the economy was never going to take off during his Presidency.

Second, the financial crisis in 2008 is directly attributable to the housing policies put in place under the Clinton Administration in the 1990's. When you lower credit standards to boost home ownership, you risk the integrity of our entire system of credit. That much was proven in a very painful way. Yes, W was responsible for going along with that foolishness. Unfortunately, a lot of the country thought those policies to be a good idea. We found out the hard way how bad they really were and almost unbelievably, Kamala Harris is now promising to repeat the whole idiotic mistake.

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