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ZakariaToua

Let's see which part will be able to win this debate !

MissDMeanor

It depends on who we are torturing, and what method we are using. I am against most forms of torture, but I am for waterboarding, which I don't believe is really torture. the point is that torture, at least waterboarding, works. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man behind the 9/11 attacks only broke thanks to waterboarding.  Clandestine Service, has claimed that terrorist mastermind Abu Zubaydah also gave up key intelligence after being waterboarded. I need elaboration on the terms torture and terrorist before I come to a conclusion, this is pretty case specific. Do I think an ANTIFA member should be starved, no. Do I think a proven ISIS member should be waterboarded, yes.

ashoup

This argument is entirely based on the information that is gained from the torture session.

I make the argument that if information is gained in which saves a multitude of lives, it is then justified. If one persons rights are taken but in reciprocation, information is gained which provides the saving of lives, the act is justified. For the right to life would be taken from one or more people. This persons autonomy would be restricted but if not, information preventing the violation of rights would be found.

CYDdharta

ashoup said:

This argument is entirely based on the information that is gained from the torture session.

I make the argument that if information is gained in which saves a multitude of lives, it is then justified. If one persons rights are taken but in reciprocation, information is gained which provides the saving of lives, the act is justified. For the right to life would be taken from one or more people. This persons autonomy would be restricted but if not, information preventing the violation of rights would be found.

Does that mean you believe it is unjustified in a case where a person has information that can save many lives, but refuses to divulge it?

joecavalry

I believe that this should not be allowed due to the inhumane treatment.

ChangeMyView

@CYDdharta, my concern is that we lose our humanity if we allow this.  That means that innocent people will get tortured at unjustified authority.  What if someone wrongly accused? Who makes the decision that there is enough suspicion to torture them.  That can become a totalitarian state like North korea.

CYDdharta

@ChangeMyView Would we retain our humanity if we allowed innocent people to be killed because even though we had the opportunity to obtain the information that was needed to stop an attack, we wouldn't do what was necessary to get that information?  It's all a matter of perspective and degree.  What is torture?  Is waterboarding torture?  How about playing loud music?  If so, what constitutes "loud"?  What about sleep deprivation, and what constitutes that?  Is locking someone away in isolation torture?  I don't believe this is a black-and-white question.  To me, urgency and the stakes involved play a role what should be allowed.

ChangeMyView

@CYDdharta, i agree that there are many gray lines that we need to define.  Mediaval torture is a torture. Waterboarding is torture (i know that's debateable), loud music probably not.
how much suspicion is required to torture someone?

Erfisflat

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Erfisflat

Yes, anyone would confess to literally anything to stop torture, even 9/11. This is a horrible way to obtain information.

Erfisflat

Just to clarify, should American terrorists... I mean soldiers be tortured for information?