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Erfisflat · June 2017

Evolution pushers would have us believe that life started from a slime and, against astronomical odds gave birth to millions of different species changing into great lizards, a worldwide disaster killed off all of them, so we could never see them. Then, start the farfetched evolution process A SECOND TIME. If you honestly believe a single miner, farmer, ditch digger, foundation layer, etc. should never have found a dinosaur by now, you are gullible. Fairies, unicorns, Sandy clause, a spherical earth, your living in fantasy land. Only a pseudoscientist would look at a few old bones or teeth and dream up the likes of a T-Rex or the like.

agsr · June 2017

@Erfisflat, have you been to museums of natural history in cities like NYC? They have excavated bones and restored really comprehensive exhibits. Are you suggesting that all of that is fake and part of a conspiracy theory? Given your position on earth being flat, that wouldn't be that far fetched <span>

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kmelkevolution17 · June 2017

There we are many dinasour fossils found by multiple archaeologists.

Erfisflat · June 2017

When you go to a museum and see a dinosaur, you're looking at reshaped elephant bones and plaster. Try to touch one next time. A brontosaurus would've had to eat 90 hours a day. Not a typo. Not a single dinosaur bone has been accidentally found.

Erfisflat · June 2017

It doesn't seem even the least bit weird that ONLY people with vested interest (archaeologists and museum curators) have found these fossils?

dropout · June 2017

I disagree with @Erfisflat . That is a great point, but It's like astronomers finding new universe research. They are trained for it and it's hard to find. Normal people are trained to find fossils and there aren't many out here due to events and natural occurring events etc. There are reasons additionally such as them being deep not outside or at least in most cases if not all cases etc.

Erfisflat · June 2017

Critically examining the T-Rex, is it plausible to claim this deformed looking creature was at the top of the food chain back then? I beg to differ.

Evidence · June 2017

Erfisflat said:

Evolution pushers would have us believe that life started from a slime and, against astronomical odds gave birth to millions of different species changing into great lizards, a worldwide disaster killed off all of them, so we could never see them. Then, start the farfetched evolution process A SECOND TIME. If you honestly believe a single miner, farmer, ditch digger, foundation layer, etc. should never have found a dinosaur by now, you are gullible. Fairies, unicorns, Sandy clause, a spherical earth, your living in fantasy land. Only a pseudoscientist would look at a few old bones or teeth and dream up the likes of a T-Rex or the like.

I agree, I just believed they were real because, .. well you know, .. scientists told us so, and scientists should know, who am I to question theses people with degrees, and all them credentials, right? Like the Globe-Earth, just because the earth looks flat from every possible perspective don't mean it is, what they told us.

Erfisflat · June 2017

If something is taught as fact to children, before they can develop even the first critical thought, it must be re-examined. This is evidence of indoctrination. Unless we can personally and empirically verify this "fact" , it's validity should be skeptically challenged. This is the very meaning of science. Falsifiability. No falsifiability, no progress.

Erfisflat · June 2017

How did dinosaurs procreate with those huge tails? Could you imagine a stegosaurus in the missionary position?

Logic · June 2017

Amazing points made my Erf here, I'm not sure about them not existing, But i'm open to the idea. I mean, The odds of the single cell arriving are 10 to the 254th power, Which is practically impossible, The fact that this should have happened TWICE is insane.

Evidence · June 2017

Erfisflat said:

How did dinosaurs procreate with those huge tails? Could you imagine a stegosaurus in the missionary position?

Lol, .. yeah, I never thought about that either!? I watched so many alien movies that none of that even mattered. Now come to think of it, how DID them squid looking aliens build
those awesome space ships, .. far, far more advanced then ours, .. where our own human space ships could ever compete with!?
I guess this is how they brainwashed us, like the Aliens movies, you see the ships they built? So maybe them Dinosaurs made out something like this?

Improvised?

medld · June 2017

I agree with @evidence .

Erfisflat · June 2017

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SkItl_BZ0AA/SCSdRqOg47I/AAAAAAAAErc/Mbzau1B68DQ/s320/stegosaur+sex.bmp

northsouthkorea · June 2017

No, There is much evidence of dinosaurs existing at some point as well as physical evidence which as fossils which you are wocome o see in some museums across the world or at least the United States of America.

Erfisflat · June 2017

northsouthkorea said:

No, There is much evidence of dinosaurs existing at some point as well as physical evidence which as fossils which you are wocome o see in some museums across the world or at least the United States of America.

Next time you go to a dinosaur museum, talk to the janitor, or any truthful person that works there. It's not real, whale bones, plaster casts, not even the teeth are real. Most of them will tell you the "real" bones are locked up in the back. How did dinosaurs procreate?

Erfisflat · June 2017

Actually look at the exhibit next time with a critical eye. You know how much a fossilized t-Rex skull weighs? Have any knowledge in physics and what it would take to prop that thing up? Cmon.

quar · June 2017

I agree with @erisflat .

islander507 · June 2017

@Erfisflat, okay I buy it...random people from every corner of the World conspired to "find" fake bones, create major museum exhibits in many large cities, publish research, get specialized degrees, etc. All of that was done for some random purpose of tricking us that Dinos used to exist.
What would even be a purpose of such a massive conspiracy?
We cannot definitively prove some things, like Dinosaurs existing, unless we can go back in time, but common..the evidence is overwhelming here.

@Evidence, I enjoyed the video

Erfisflat · June 2017

islander507 said:

@Erfisflat, okay I buy it...random people from every corner of the World conspired to "find" fake bones, create major museum exhibits in many large cities, publish research, get specialized degrees, etc. All of that was done for some random purpose of tricking us that Dinos used to exist.
What would even be a purpose of such a massive conspiracy?
We cannot definitively prove some things, like Dinosaurs existing, unless we can go back in time, but common..the evidence is overwhelming here.

@Evidence, I enjoyed the video

When you say random people, I don't think you know what that means. I've covered this. I'm not going to claim that giants didn't exist, or even giant lizards, by they certainly weren't possible as the official story tells us. Have you heard of the bone wars? What about dinosaur procreation? The whole thing is ridiculous.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars

islander507 · June 2017

@Erfisflat, that is a good point about bone wars, and surely something like that will likely lead to some level of corruption. That said, it's not a proof that ALL fossils are fake after so much scrutiny by the scientific community.

Erfisflat · June 2017

@islander507 archaeologists are under contract to produce results. Can't find any bones? Lose your funding. They aren't even really tested, a bone that was "found" is only compared to previously known bones. China is pumping out dinosaur bones by the hundreds.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fake-fossils-pervert-paleontology-excerpt/

As I said, I don't doubt that there were large animals in the past, so how easy would it be to alter those fossils to favor one that was previously found and altered?

SuperSith89 · June 2017

Seeing as you believe in creation, the Bible mentions leviathans. I could get the verses for you, but I somewhat agree with you. Being somewhat in the bible though, I have to say they did exist. They just didn't evolve or die off from a meteor or ice age. Just a flood.

Erfisflat · June 2017

@SuperSith89

My point is that dinosaurs didn't exist as we were told as fact. Leviathon could be used to describe any large animal, even an elephant. Are those mentioned in the Bible? It also mentions giants, the firmament and the flat, stationary earth, you're not really speaking up about those, just sayin.

natbarons · June 2017

@erfisflat , of course they believed the earth was flat back then, because they didn't have the technology to discover the real round earth. U until Columbus they believed the Earth was flat. Also, curved water is possible, there is something called gravity. Dinosaur fossils are find with special equipment in many cases there fore average people can't go out and find them especially without know how to find them. All of your points are not scientifically accurate and the same goes for the Earth being flat and diansours not exsisting. Maybe some scientific theories aren't accurate, but these are just scientific fundamentals which are basically confirmed at this time of society.

Erfisflat · June 2017

@natbarons
For flat earth discussions, please see the active debate, Earth is flat. You'll see I've already discussed gravity, curved water, and circumnavigation.

"Dinosaur fossils are find with special equipment in many cases there fore average people can't go out and find them especially without know how to find them. "

How "scientifically accurate" of you. Please ellaborate.

"but these are just scientific fundamentals which are basically confirmed at this time of society."

I haven't confirmed any of it, neither have most of society. When you've found and tested some good old dinosaur bones yourself, (and not in one of those quarries, or little sand pits where they're planted) then it will be officially empirically confirmed. Or when you've been to space and seen earth as a ball, that can be empirically confirmed.

randal · June 2017

I agree with @Erfisflat . The fossils would require more effort to bring them in and assemble the dinosaurs there.

Fredsnephew · June 2017

What isn't fake or made up?
Why do some people always desire to deceive others?
One thing we know for sure is that the whole god, bible and religion thing is one big made up load of nonsense.
So what's the answer then?

Erfisflat · June 2017

@Fredsnephew

I mean, I've given conclusive evidence for a flat, stationary earth, covered with a dome. To me, that kinda takes a steamy sh!t on big bangism, evolution, and all that nonsense. To me that puts us in a very special and unique place, doesn't it? That is the great deception in the Bible. I believe religion is nonsense, but theism does not equal religion.

melanielust · June 2017

It's not "just a few bones," it's entire skeletons. Even if it was made up, why would anyone make it up? It seems pointless. Why would anyone bother to draft all of those thousands of pages of details confirmed by top scientists in the world? For fun? People make their careers studying dinosaurs and being archaeologists. It's not NEARLY as simple as "I've never seen it so it can't exist."

Erfisflat · June 2017

@melanielust

I agree, which I why I ellaborated, maybe if you had read more than just the OP and poll question...

Erfisflat · June 2017

"I've never seen it so it can't exist."

Sounds like an atheist's entire argument against God

Fredsnephew · June 2017

Erfisflat.
Please elaborate.
Who are the deceivers?
Why do they need to deceive?
And by the way. Who constructed the flat earth and the dome?
What material was used to fabricate the dome?
Whereabouts can one see the base of the dome?
Because at some point the dome by definition and necessity, must come into contact with the flat earth.
I would very much like to see the dome for myself.
I look forward to receiving some positive feedback regarding these issues.

Erfisflat · June 2017

@Fredsnephew
I think that belongs in either the space is fake debate, or earth is flat debate

Fredsnephew · June 2017

You referred to the flat earth and it's dome in your previous reply.
So I felt it was ok to continue in the same vein.
I think my questions are relative to most of your debates.

See if you can answer just this one question.

What benefit do the deceivers derive from their deceptions?

Erfisflat · June 2017

Fredsnephew said:

You referred to the flat earth and it's dome in your previous reply.
So I felt it was ok to continue in the same vein.
I think my questions are relative to most of your debates.

See if you can answer just this one question.

What benefit do the deceivers derive from their deceptions?

Who would want to hide a flat, geocentric earth with a dome?

Erfisflat · June 2017

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Nope · December 2017

Erfisflat Their are cases of accidental dinosaur bones findings. So you don't know how something happened. That does nothing to prove dinosaurs did not exists. You can say I personally can't prove they did but you have yet to provide conclusive evidence that they did not.

Erfisflat · December 2017

Apologetics. Gotta love em. Especially ones with bad grammar.

Evidence · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

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Through osmosis silly! Natural selection, ..

Or, they hook up their tails like so:

Erfisflat · December 2017

"Their are cases of accidental dinosaur bones findings."

Unsupported claim. If they exist, they are very few.

"you have yet to provide conclusive evidence that they did not."

Opinion. Guaranteed those eight people that voted affirmative to the resolution once believed in dinosaurs and the evidence here was conclusive enough for them.
@nope

Nope · December 2017

Erfisflat You just said their is no accidental dinosaur bone findings which is an unsupported claim. Here are sources showing accidental discovery.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/06/dinosaur-nodosaur-fossil-discovery/

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Erfisflat · January 2018

@evidence ;
You think that "dinosaurs" may have roamed the earth before the flood?

Gooberry · January 2018

@Erfisflat
You've made a big deal of claiming that dinosaur species are ever found accidentally by members of the public. You've said it several times in this thread.

You've also made a big deal of saying that positions must be falsifiable:

Does that mean if I produce examples of large fossiles being found accidentally, that falsifies your argument?

Grenache · January 2018

Pfft, yes, get real. How could dinosaurs possibly have as much credibility as the leviathan, or giants, or the behemoth, or nephilim, all in the Bible? I mean, giant fossil remains can't possibly be more convincing than stories passed down by Bronze Age shephards.

Erfisflat · January 2018

Gooberry said:

@Erfisflat
You've made a big deal of claiming that dinosaur species are ever found accidentally by members of the public. You've said it several times in this thread.

You've also made a big deal of saying that positions must be falsifiable:

Does that mean if I produce examples of large fossiles being found accidentally, that falsifies your argument?

Not at all, it wouldn't be out of the question for a curator or paleontologist to help a family member or friend by molding a bone and planting it, fabricating the story. Not with all the rest of the evidence here. What are there like 5? Countable on two hands?

Gooberry · January 2018

Erfisflat said:

Gooberry said:

@Erfisflat
You've made a big deal of claiming that dinosaur species are ever found accidentally by members of the public. You've said it several times in this thread.

You've also made a big deal of saying that positions must be falsifiable:

Does that mean if I produce examples of large fossiles being found accidentally, that falsifies your argument?

Not at all, it wouldn't be out of the question for a curator or paleontologist to help a family member or friend by molding a bone and planting it, fabricating the story. Not with all the rest of the evidence here. What are there like 5? Countable on two hands?

So you're making claims that x hasn't ever happened, and automatically rejecting any evidence that it has out of hand before you've seen it?

I thought you are a scientist? Scientists don't reject evidence before they've seen it.

Fredsnephew · February 2018

As ever.

What is the purpose of the deception?

Ampersand · February 2018

Arguements against evolution here seem to largely be arguments from incredulity (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_fallacy) which is a logically fallacious form of argument.

Also people can commonly find fossils if they make the effort so that claim is patently false. It's a common cheap holiday for people in the UK to visit the Jurassic Coast around Lyme Regis which, as well as being by the seaside, has a high preponderance of fossils. I went when I was a child and found myself a trilobite fossil (an extinct arthropod rather than a dinosaur, but the same logic applies) and so have hundreds of thousands of other British people and tourists.

Medic · February 2018

lol imagine using personal incredulity as an argument against actual science

Gooberry · February 2018

I’m actually interested in the psychology of people who genuinely think that a substantial fraction of history or science is outright fabricated, is the issue pathological? Physiological? Or anthropological?

I’d be particularly interested if there is any link to Cannabis. Anecdotally 100% of the conspiracy theorists I know IRL are heavy smokers; and we know that there is a causal link between weed use and paranoia.

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