Repeal the 1st Amendment
in United States

Vaulk · March 2018

Verbal bullying accounts for a shocking amount of suicide as well as personal justification for school shootings.

So the 1st Amendment needs to be repealed and we need to start introducing severe legal punishments for saying certain things.

Thoughts?

https://www.nveee.org/statistics/

Vaulk · March 2018

We should follow France's example, they're already arresting people over there for making facebook posts that are supportive of killing people like "He deserved it".

Nope · March 2018

Vaulk
In the US you can't say something that causes immediate harm to some one when their was original no harm and you are looking for a specific reaction. You can't yell fire in a movie theater if their is no fire because that can cause immediate harm as people try and get out and you where most likely not an ignorant person and new that reaction would happen. I am opposed to repealing the first amendment.

Vaulk · March 2018

Nope said:

Vaulk
In the US you can't say something that causes immediate harm to some one when their was original no harm and you are looking for a specific reaction. You can't yell fire in a movie theater if their is no fire because that can cause immediate harm as people try and get out and you where most likely not an ignorant person and new that reaction would happen. I am opposed to repealing the first amendment.

Exactly, and since there's already restrictions on the 2nd Amendment and more being proposed along with talk of a total Repeal...I likewise think we should just go ahead and Repeal the 1st Amendment too and be like France.

anonymousdebater · March 2018

The 1st amendment ensures our rights to express ourselves without fear of being punished by the government. It is a very important amendment to the constitution.

someone234 · March 2018

Yes. In fact most of the Constitution is utter garbage.

You don't have rights, you have privileges granted by the government. Thankfully, we aren't all being led by sh**heads like Putin or Mugabe.

DebateDrone · March 2018

It would be easier to make suicide lawful. Lets expand rights. The right to take one's own life is the paramount of rights.

The government should have zero say.

CYDdharta · March 2018

DebateDrone said:

It would be easier to make suicide lawful. Lets expand rights. The right to take one's own life is the paramount of rights.

The government should have zero say.

What, you mean like;

Ampersand · March 2018

No, this is a poor response and the alternate solution can be found in the example the OP cites in their second post where they use France as an example.

France is a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights - the EU version of the US Constitution and it too grants freedom of expression. As per article 10 of the ECHR:

"1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary".

The EU version is more restrictive than the US version, but the US version is not universal either as there are still various circumstances in the US where your freedom of speech will be overruled and which the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that the government is able to do. It's a case of how free free-speech should truly be - the bolded above being examples of restrictions which if put in place in the US would justify a restraint on people being driven to suicide.

Repeal and replace is the solution, not simply repeal.

someone234 · March 2018

@Ampersand You should not have the right to abuse with speech, I don't understand the need for the freedom of speech when it abuses.

I admit that I have gotten into flame wars online and the reason is that I know the other won't be punished for abusing me so I lashed out back. If I knew it was a criminal offence, I'd keep my mouth shut and smile.

Vaulk · April 2018

@someone234

You're right, we should let the Government make it a crime to speak abusively to people in general. The U.S. Government is completely and totally trustworthy and would never create arbitrary laws or policies that serve to work against the citizens. Furthermore the U.S. Government has an impeccable track record of being fair and free of corruption and scandal...so why not? Let's let the Government dictate what is and isn't abusive speech and subsequently punish people for it.

It's working really well for other Countries that have this system.

someone234 · April 2018

@Vaulk Got a problem? Shouldn't vote Trump.

Vaulk · April 2018

Sometimes I have to wonder just how hard I threw the ball for it to have gone so far over some people's heads.

aortizcazarin18 · April 2018

There is a difference between explicitly hurting another with intent and stating one's opinion. If we all did not have freedom of speech, the government would have too much power. In AP government, we learned amendments were made to give CITIZENS back power. The whole reason the USA exists, freedom and liberty.

BaconToes · April 2018

I think not, limits are already being put in place by the Supreme Court for the first amendment(since that's their most widely debated cases).
http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/educate/educator-resources/landmark-cases/freedom-of-speech-general/

George_Horse · June 2018

All the nonsense over suicide rates? So simply because someone gets upset over a word and cannot man up and just be mature, the 1st amendment should be repealed? Absolute nonsense. I am fond the 1st amendment, and I would most certainly wouldn't want to be like North Korea or elsewhere where saying the most meaningless thing can get you imprisoned. I would also assume NO one here knows about Tommy Robinson's imprisonment, he was jailed for speaking out about the Muslim rape gangs in the UK, and he was imprisoned simply because of speaking about them. I love first amendment, and also the second, simply because you cannot handle what someone else said, does not mean the 1st amendment should be repealed. Probably some SJW got too far in her feelings and made up an absurd idea.

MayCaesar · June 2018

In my eyes, the dangers of restricting freedom of speech far surpass the dangers of expressing freedom of speech. It is not the states that allow everyone to speak their mind that become oppressive dictatorships - it is the states that believe they have the right to dictate what people can say or not.

First and Second Amendments are truly unique legislation pieces that make the US what it is: the land where people determine their own fate, instead of letting the society determine it for them. Repealing these Amendments would make the US into another European model country, where people can live in a relative prosperity, but any attempt to leave the convenient shell of apathy and try to achieve something extraordinary leaves the individual exposed to the societal harassment.

Vaulk · June 2018

@George_Horse

Don't worry, the post (While it's not exactly crystal clear) is sarcastic with full irony implied. Just curious how many people would actually take a flying leap into the bandwagon for deleting the 1st amendment.

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