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The I.S.I.S., atrocities are carried out in the name of the Islamic God, and the Muslim religious terrorists feel that slaughtering innocent infidels, non Muslims, will endear them to Allah.
The barbarity of Islam is also graphically illustrated in their brutal Sharia law which includes female genital mutilation and murdering those a with deviant sexual orientation.
I feel the world would be a much better and safer place without these religious zealots.
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The day humans grow a pair of wings, Is the day i'll admit ISIS is islamic.
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It's ''an evil''.
An, and not a is used when followed by a vowel.
The evil,(note the initial letter of evil is an e, which is a vowel) which is Islam is graphically illustrated all over the world as the filth shoot innocent people blow them to smithereens and mow them down like flies with heavy goods vehicles.
These barbarous atrocities are perpetrated by Quran reading Muslim terrorists from Australia to Canada and from every country in Europe to the United States.
I would not wish to contaminate my hands by holding the book of satanic verses nor corrupt my mind by reading the superstitious hocus pocus composed by a paedophile prophet.
Many, too many of those who do can find interpretation within it's frightening text to justify their savagery towards their fellow man.
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here are some...
1) ISIS stands for
"Islamic State For Iraq And Syria."
Thats the only piece of evidence you need to prove this claim. ISIS is indeed Islamic.
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@Logic Here's another tip; if you actually want to have a debate, you have to appear reasonable. If you say you'll never change your position regardless of any amount of proof against you, there is literally no point in debating.
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But if you have some solid proof, As to ISIS being not led by simon elliot, A jew, I'm ready to accept it.
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http://apps.frontline.org/isis-leadership/
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If that isn't enough, I don't know what is.
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If something doesn't fit the anti islamic agenda on wiki, It's far too easy to change it.
Just look at pictures of Simon Elliot/ Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, With american high ranks. It's getting obvious. And, You might not notice this, But anyone in islam or an arab, Would notice. Look at the shura council, Notice anything weird? If you do tell me.
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All I see in the photos are 2 guys of generally similar build, but primarily very similar haircuts. I can't make a positive ID on a haircut.
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Also I do believe they are. ISIS= Islamic state in Syria. They represent the most radical form of Islam. They may not have copies of the Koran but that doesn't make them unislamic; they can still subscribe to its principles. The people in ISIS are the ones saying moderate Muslims aren't real Muslims.
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@Pino You've been blabbering all of your bs, But have failed to bring one verse, In full context, Ordering the evil doings you assume it does.
@mediucoded Israeli Secret Intelligence Service
Why is it, ISIS has killed 10x more muslims, Then it has non muslims?
Israelites have HATED islam, For as long as it has existed, History tells a story.
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@Pino Stop spouting bs, Bring me these verses in full context.
@mediucoded Israeli Secret Intelligence. Israel has hated islam from the moment it existed. History tells a fine story lad. They have ever reason to do this.
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Isis is definitely Islam, and Islam is inherently evil. The verses here are not bound by historical context like the Old Testament from the Bible is. The quran is much more open ended, thus it means this command will forever be in effect.
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#1
18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killedfor insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.
Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#3
Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives,enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#4
After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.
It was the same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle. Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.
Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
#5
Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
#6
Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
#7
Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8
Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
#9
The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
#10
"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
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That verse has not been taken out of context either. It still applies to any Muslim to this day.
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http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/07/thereligionofpeace-com-working-to-streamline-the-american-empires-war-on-terror/
Try harder next time lad!
Addressing comment 2# : Obviously you didn't watch the video i gave you because it CLEARLY gave the context. And it showed that , that verse only applied to that scenario. I can get the context of every single violent verse. It's easy to refute people like you who only rely on what you hear about islam, But not learn.
Addressing comment 3# : I've made it obvious with links above that , that site is all about lying.
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Let's do a comparison here.
Catholicism:
1. The Crusades:
a. 1096 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.
b. 1098 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.
c. 1099 - Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.
d. 1208 - 1226 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209.
e. 1236 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.
I could go on but you get the idea, the total estimates are difficult to determine due largely to inaccurate reporting standards during the time but roughly up to 50 million people.
2. 1243 - Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).
3. 1298 - Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.
4. 1349 - Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.
5. 1389 - Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.
6. 1481-1483 - At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.
7. 1540-1570 - Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.
8. 1550-1560 - Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.
9. 1553-1558 - Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.
10. 1572 - French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.
11. 1618-1648 - This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.
This is setting aside the molestation charges that have been brought against the Priests for only God knows how long.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reformation_Rome_crusade_slaughter
I apologize for the length of this but I posted all of that so that I could say this:
I'm a Christian, I don't personally believe that Catholicism is Christianity for the simple fact that its doctrine is unsound and the practice of Catholicism led to the slaughter of only God knows exactly how many Christians who were called "Protestants". That being said, whenever someone attributes "The Crusades" to an organization...what organization do you suppose is almost always listed? The answer: "Christians". And it's not an unfair statement. This is a simple reality of life, Catholicism is called Christianity and I'm lumped with them regardless of how radically different my religion is.
So in turn, regardless of how radically different ISIS' practices are from yours...ISIS is Islamic. They pray to Allah, they practice the verbatim violent commands from the Quran and ignore the peaceful commands. Their doctrinal difference from your preferred method of practice doesn't qualify them as "Not" Islamic I'm afraid.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Then by your logic (I made a pun) 25,508,000 people in Nigeria, 1,448,800 in Burkina Faso, 6,245,440 in Turkey, 3,303,630 in Malaysia (The list goes on) are all out of their minds. Pew research below shows the percentage of the populations for the Countries I listed that have a favorable view of ISIS.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/26/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
And you're making an appeal to probability here by stating that essentially "No one in the right mind would do something without examining a scripture first". This is actually historically inaccurate throughout almost all religions, you can go back and find countless instances of where people did horrible things and most of the participants were just following blindly. Ever heard of Jim Jones in Jonestown? Mass Suicide...had Children killed...virtually no one contested him. To say that people cannot read something and take it out of context, or that people cannot be told something by word of mouth and obey blindly is erroneous my friend. Name me a year in history and I'll find an example of people following an idea blindly when there was no logical reason to.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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Originally religion was a theoretical explanation for the existence of matter.
The myths and the theory have subsequently been debunked.
But there is still wealth and power to be gained from the perpetuation of the myths.
The majority of human's are easily conditioned and manipulated by the charismatic few.
it's unfortunately the nature of the human condition.
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That's an interesting point (I somewhat agree) but does ISIS have a part in any religion (specifically ISlam?)
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All religions are myths. So there is actually no such thing as Islam.
Islam is just a notion, a concept conditioned into the brains (organic computers) of children and gullible people. In order to perpetuate the wealth and power of the charismatic few.
In answer to your question.
Yes. The majority of those who support ISIS are people who were conditioned with Islamic information in their formative years and therefore regard themselves as Muslims.
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Surah 8 verse 39 - killing non believers
Surah 4 verse 24 - sex slavery
Surah 24 verse 2 - adulterers should be whipped
Surah 7 verse 80–84 justifies ISIS killing gays
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:148 -killing non believers
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:447 -killing non believers
Sunan Abu Dawud 38:4390 -killing non believers
muslim Book 019, Number 4364 - killing non believers
Sahih bukhari volume 1 hadith 24 - killing non believers
Sunan abu dawud 2150 - Sex with war captives
Sahih Muslim 3432 -killing non believers
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 - slavery
Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:57:74 torture
Sahih bukhari is the most authentic hadith book and the saheeh muslim is the second most authentic hadeeth collection and abu dawud is the fourth most authecntic book.
Your religion is born from the tortorus, violent, evil and misogynistic slave master of the 7th century and its texts are ISIS' justification of all its action from sex slavery to killing non believers.
Your barbaric primitive religion belongs in the 7th century and is not accepted in western secular society. If you want to apply those 7th century violent laws, you are more than welcome to apply it back were you come from. But don't defend ISIS and claim they are unislamic when they are executing the exact same actions of your primitive profit.
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- Following Quran word by word makes on Islamic - in that case, there is probably not a single Islamic entity in this world, aside from Quran itself.
- Following Quran in general, but with flexible interpretation of it - the further clarification needs to be made: "How flexible?", "Flexible in what regard?", and so on.
- Calling oneself Islamic - then obviously ISIS is Islamic, since they call themselves Islamic.
Since #1 is too unrealistic, and #3 is too wide, answering the question on whether ISIS Islamic is a matter of properly defining #2 - and that is highly subjective.I personally define a person Islamic if they A) believe in Allah,
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