Why does it go dark at night?
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Fredsnephew · August 2017

I believe it is because the Earth is a revolving sphere.
And the Sun is a light emitting star, approximately 150.000km distant from the Earth.
As the Earth revolves, the area facing away from the Sun goes dark.

natbarons · August 2017

Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.

Erfisflat · August 2017

The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

Erfisflat · August 2017

natbarons said:

Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.

1Hacker0 · August 2017

@Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

Erfisflat said:

The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

No street lights where I live.
At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.

Erfisflat · August 2017

1Hacker0 said:

@Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark.

The scaling is way off here, for one, you're ignoring atmospheric conditions.

Erfisflat · August 2017

And the obvious fact that the earth isn't a concrete road.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

1Hacker0 said:

@Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark.

Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

1Hacker0 said:

@Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark.

Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.

Similar to a pressurised ball in an infinite vacuum? Most opposing pressure systems (like light bulbs) require a physical barrier to coexist.

Erfisflat · August 2017

SilverishGoldNova · August 2017

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
Image result for spotlight sun gif

Erfisflat · August 2017

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

SilverishGoldNova · August 2017

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Erfisflat · August 2017

I'm delighted to talk about it. It's only when people get dismissive, ridicule and ignore evidence that I get irritated. This is signs of bias and programming.

Erfisflat · August 2017

An unwillingness to unlearn and relearn, and let go of the ball shows ignorance and cognitive dissonance.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

Erfisflat said:

Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

Erfisflat said:

Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.

Not as simple as a light source being far enough away to not cast light on something. It's still a positive pressure system adjacent, no, enveloped in a negative pressure system, perfect vacuum or not, which has never been demonstrated or reproduced on any scale.

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

Erfisflat said:

The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

No street lights where I live.
At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.

You only think it's vast, or space, mainly because your science book told you so. It's really a dome with lights in it.

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

Erfisflat said:

The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

No street lights where I live.
At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.

http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=Proof+of+firmament

Erfisflat · August 2017

SilverishGoldNova · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

SilverishGoldNova said:

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think.

Very pretty. But illogical.
As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think.

Very pretty. But illogical.
As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.

Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?

Erfisflat · August 2017

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think.

Very pretty. But illogical.
As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

Erfisflat said:

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Fredsnephew said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.

We were all there.

Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth

Right said Fred.
But why do you think it goes dark at night?

On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think.

Very pretty. But illogical.
As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.

Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?

Sarcasm and insult. Make for a very weak argument.
When debating try and offer a rational and logical response.
All your flat Earth arguments are falling short in logic and rationale.

Erfisflat · August 2017

@Fredsnephew
I was addressing the argument:

"As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light.

Fredsnephew · August 2017

Erfisflat said:

@Fredsnephew
I was addressing the argument:

"As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light.

Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night.
Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions.

Perhaps you could elaborate on this theory, so that I can get a clearer understanding of what you are trying to say.

Erfisflat · August 2017

@Fredsnephew

"Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night."

I fail to understand why you are making this statement. If you took a 75 watt light bulb to a football field you wouldnt be able to light up the whole field. This is not exactly to scale of corse, but you get the idea. Add to that hundreds or thousands (depending on the altitude of the sun) of miles of atmosphere (clpuds, dust, smog, water, heat, fog, etc.), and you have a means of blocking light. This is one of the reasons we can't see clear across the Atlantic Ocean.

The mountains in the distance are not hidden by curvature, they are just hidden by an accumulation of particles of matter in the air. This indubitably causes it to go dark at night.

On a similar matter, if you're talking about sunsets, that is a combination of refraction and perspective, I can explain that again if I need to, but both subjects have been covered extensively. They were likely covered in the first few pages, but if you can't find them, I'll go over them again.

"Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions "

This is due to a different circuit of the circuit around the pole. In our summer, the sun is closer to the center, causing the arctic midnight sun, where the sun doesn't go down in the northern polar region. It's included in the Gleason' s map.

The evidence for this is the sun analemma.

Which contradicts the globe model, but fits perfectly in FET.

Nope · November 2017

Erfisflat Your map does not match a globe. If you would go to a place in the southern hemisphere and measured the length if it did not match your model your model would be disprove. Unless you are so confident you don't feel the need to. Of course I would have to do the same and I am planing to when I get older then 18.

CYDdharta · November 2017

Erfisflat said:

Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?

Hmmmm, so stars can be seen at night thru the atmosphere, but the sun can't. Those are some pretty anomalous atmospheric conditions.

CYDdharta · November 2017

Erfisflat said:

BaconToes · December 2017

It is never dark here on Earth. The sun and stars give us light. When it is night, the moon reflects the light of the sun and the stars also give us a bit of light.

Erfisflat · December 2017

@CYDdharta

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

@CYDdharta

Nice sunrise, stupid commentary. Of course the sun won't light up the entire horizon as the earth rotates into view of it; the sun is round. If the earth was flat, the sun wouldn't set at all.

Erfisflat · December 2017

You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
@CYDdharta

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
@CYDdharta

No, it really doesn't. it just says "refraction", but that doesn't explain how the sun can drop below the horizon of a flat earth using the model that's been reposted so many by flat-earthers here;

Image: http://dev1.debateisland.com/uploads/editor/pm/2t2td32nilab.gif

Then again, we can see the moon during the daytime, so we know this model isn't accurate. Find a model that is actually accurate, and we'll discuss it.

Erfisflat · December 2017

CYDdharta said:

Erfisflat said:

You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
@CYDdharta

No, it really doesn't. it just says "refraction", but that doesn't explain how the sun can drop below the horizon of a flat earth using the model that's been reposted so many by flat-earthers here;

Then again, we can see the moon during the daytime, so we know this model isn't accurate. Find a model that is actually accurate, and we'll discuss it.

Wait, you sure you watched the video? It doesn't just say refraction. Try again.

And seeing the moon during the day works in the flat earth model too. Maybe you don't fully understand the model.

Erfisflat · December 2017

At 8:34 in the video, we can see with practical experimentation how the sun can go down over the horizon on a flat earth. @CYDdharta seems to have turned a blind eye, but those of us who haven't strapped on our blinders can see. Mainstream science claims the same effect happens on a ball earth, but they claim it causes the sun to appear higher in the sky, which is pseudoscientific unless they can support the claim with practical experimentation.

http://www.hko.gov.hk/m/article_e.htm?title=ele_00493

This proves that a ball earth isn't necessary for the sun to "go down" at night.

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

At 8:34 in the video, we can see with practical experimentation how the sun can go down over the horizon on a flat earth. @CYDdharta seems to have turned a blind eye, but those of us who haven't strapped on our blinders can see. Mainstream science claims the same effect happens on a ball earth, but they claim it causes the sun to appear higher in the sky, which is pseudoscientific unless they can support the claim with practical experimentation.

http://www.hko.gov.hk/m/article_e.htm?title=ele_00493

This proves that a ball earth isn't necessary for the sun to "go down" at night.

Explain the experiment. Is that a clear pitcher filled with water or some other fluid?

Erfisflat · December 2017

You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.

Like I said, find an accurate model and get back to me.

Erfisflat · December 2017

Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.

I take it, there is no accurate flat-earth model. noted.

Erfisflat · December 2017

CYDdharta said:

Erfisflat said:

Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.

I take it, there is no accurate flat-earth model. noted.

I take it you have conceded the OP, AND you can't explain why my model is inaccurate, yet I demonstrate how yours is innacurate. Just an appeal to the stone fallacy, huh? Sounds like someone's mad the earth isn't a ball.

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

I take it you have conceded the OP, AND you can't explain why my model is inaccurate, yet I demonstrate how yours is innacurate. Just an appeal to the stone fallacy, huh? Sounds like someone's mad the earth isn't a ball.

I've already told you why your model is inaccurate, in fact you even conceded the point.

Erfisflat said:

You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.

Erfisflat · December 2017

Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?

Erfisflat · December 2017

@CYDdharta

CYDdharta · December 2017

Erfisflat said:

Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?

So you still haven't found an accurate working flat-earth model. The fact that none exists would explain that quite well.

Erfisflat · December 2017

CYDdharta said:

Erfisflat said:

Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?

So you still haven't found an accurate working flat-earth model. The fact that none exists would explain that quite well.

So you still haven't explained any flaw in it. Keep digging. You've conceded everything else.

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