NASA admitting to faking images
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SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

A common "proof" for the globe is see is NASA Images. I have heard and seen it everywhere, including from a red herring from a certain guy I wont name in the sun debate.

And now I will be proving that they are fake

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html

If you read through this article you will see Robert saying NASA fakes images. "The last time anyone took a photograph from above low Earth orbit that showed an entire hemisphere (one side of a globe) was in 1972 during Apollo 17."

So, we have NASA saying they fake images. Well except the moon landings, but those have been debunked too.

The moon landings

and the blue marble

So watch and learn

cakerman · October 2017

A common fallacy I notice with this argument is that even at a height of 254 miles (which is 1,341,000 feet, also the average orbital height of the International Space Station, which will be important) the ISS can only see about 3 percent of the earth's surface at one time, and only about 24 people have ever seen Earths entirety (meaning Earth itself as one ball suspended in space, all in one point of view) in person before. This brings me to the misunderstanding that your argument puts forth, most say that NASA "fakes" satellite imagery and by a slight technicality you're right. The argument all stems from ISS photos of the whole earth being mere compositions, more of an extrapolation of sorts of all the photos that the ISS takes of the surface of earth (as 3% sure is a mighty small percentage) and then being labeled as "fakes" or being created entirely by CGI.

To put into perspective just how close the ISS orbits to earth, if the planet Earth were the size of an apple, the ISS would orbit around 2.7 mm away from it's surface.

Another argument I hear flat earthers put forth quite often is that you can't "see the curvature" and that's for a very simple reason, a couple reasons actually, and I'll list them numerically here

1: The average human eye can only see about 3.1 miles in any direction (given certain atmospheric conditions can weaken or extend that range, the same general principle still applies)

2: assuming you are standing at a sea level of zero, only adding height for a reasonable human height of 6 feet tall, the horizon is 2.9 miles away and only hides 0.0067 feet of total height behind it

3: at an actual height of 1,341,000 feet you could effectively see for 1,441 miles (about 5-5.5 times the oribital height of the ISS) uninterrupted by earth's curvature

The other glaring problem I have with your argument is the "blue marble debunked video", if you look you can clearly see that adjusted for the angle of the photo and the frame of reference that the continents actually do match just perfectly, with Africa as the focal point it's just that alot of the other landmass is behind the curvature, especially considering how large of a chunk of Antartica is visible on the photo used as the purported evidence. The man describing the fallacies of the photos fails to realize that he himself is basing his argument on a flat map of the earth's surface, compared with a hundreds of thousands of miles away at an angle photo of the planet. Just because you cannot see the landmasses in the photograph does not mean that the landmasses were not there, they were simply hidden due to the angle of the photograph

Erfisflat · October 2017

Oh no, not another one. This one doesn't sound as dumb as the others. You want this one @SilverishGoldNova?

Erfisflat · October 2017

@cakerman

"the ISS can only see about 3 percent of the earth's surface at one time, "

I've superimposed a still from the ISS feed on to of the globe cartoon ball to get an idea of how much the ISS can see of the earth. 3 percent? Maybe...

Here is another still proving that NASA is manipulating images of earth.

As you can see, the solar panel has a definite curve to it, that somewhat matches the earths, signifying the use of a wide angle lens, which curves straight lines.

The ISS certainly isn't the only satellite supposedly taking images of the earth. Regardless, anyone can take scans of something flat, then project it onto a sphere.

"The average human eye can only see about 3.1 miles in any direction (given certain atmospheric conditions can weaken or extend that range, the same general principle still applies)"

Technically and mathematically, about 3.1 miles to the horizon should be all we can see, depending on the object's height above sea level, and if the observer is standing at sea level (6 feet up).

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=3&h0=6&unit=imperial

But of course we flat earthers know this isn't the case. Instances of up to 150+miles have been reported.

As for the response to the videos, I have no opinion. They are images, which are easy to manipulate, as has been shown.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

Erfisflat said:

Oh no, not another one. This one doesn't sound as dumb as the others. You want this one @SilverishGoldNova?

would have wanted it if I wasnt busy all day

joecavalry · October 2017

NASA May have presented edited images, but not heavy altered images or photographs.

Erfisflat · October 2017

joecavalry said:

NASA May have presented edited images, but not heavy altered images or photographs.

You sure?

northsouthkorea · October 2017

@wake , good argument and use of evidence. If there was no globe model for the Earth, their would be no horizon and no time zones.

Erfisflat · October 2017

Wake said:

@cakerman - I might point out that standing upon the top of the Marin Headlands Lookout on Cozzelman Rd. from the Marin side of the Golden Gate Bridge you can only see one of the Farallone Islands with the others below the curvature of the Earth. And that is a mere 920 feet altitude. From the pilots deck of a B52 at 20,000+ feet of altitude you couldn't actually see the curvature of the Earth but at 550 knots you could watch cities appear over the horizon. And the rate that they would appear demonstrated the exact diameter of the Earth. So the flat earthers are little more than a comedy routine.

He also said it was easy to fly a 747, because he worked on planes. Comedy routine lol. Why should I believe what you say?

Erfisflat · October 2017

All of the Farallone Islands as seen from the top of the Marin Headlands. No curvature. Not just a say so, image to back up the claim. Just how much curvature should there be @Wake?

http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog/2009/04/06/farallon-islands-california/

Erfisflat · October 2017

Comedy routine indeed. You're a clown @Wake

Erfisflat · October 2017

"Even more amazing is that there is a tanker on the horizon that is likely twice as far from the Farallones as they are from San Francisco. "

Erfisflat · October 2017

Herpa derp, those balls are round, so the table must also be round!

Erfisflat · October 2017

" I might point out that standing upon the top of the Marin Headlands Lookout on Cozzelman Rd. from the Marin side of the Golden Gate Bridge you can only see one of the Farallone Islands with the others below the curvature of the Earth. And that is a mere 920 feet altitude. "

Erfisflat · October 2017

@wake I pulled the quote from the photographer's article. He is completely unbiased and likely could care less if the earth was flat. The tanker is on the horizon in the picture.

Erfisflat · October 2017

northsouthkorea said:

@wake , good argument and use of evidence. If there was no globe model for the Earth, their would be no horizon and no time zones.

Two lies and an ad hominem attack. Good argument he says.

Erfisflat · October 2017

"Farallon Islands, California as seen from the Marin Headlands"

The caption under the picture reads. I've never seen a telephoto lens that can pull entire islands backwards over the curvature of the earth! I showed mine, where's yours? All we have is a tired old mechanic's word at this point. Maybe they were there, but you need spectacles?

Erfisflat · October 2017

"The headlands stretch from the Golden Gate Bridge to Muir Beach. Photographers perch on the southern headlands for spectacular shots of the city, with the bridge in the foreground and the skyline on the horizon. Equally remarkable are the views north along the coast and out to sea, where the Farallon Islands are visible on clear days."

http://www.fodors.com/world/north-america/usa/california/the-bay-area/things-to-do/sights/reviews/marin-headlands-485920#poi-review

2 sources saying they're visible from the headlands, versus your word.

Erfisflat · October 2017

"Anyone who's visiting San Francisco for the first time should not miss coming here. This is where you can find the most impressive spot to view the Golden Gate Bridge. Actually, there is so much more to see than just the bridge. On a clear day, if you're lucky, one can view almost the entire bay - from Treasure Island to Farallon Islands. It's so beautiful it took my breath away a thousand times (or more)!"

A third.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g155988-d103182-r327847498-Marin_Headlands-Marin_County_California.html

Erfisflat · October 2017

4th.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QWudZ04YlbwC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=All+of+the+Farallon+Islands+as+seen+from+the+top+of+the+Marin+Headlands.&source=bl&ots=GcuS63sROC&sig=VmPEU1X7SbghRVOU1k0VcGKfMK8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7k9bA_NLWAhWSdSYKHUzHBLgQ6AEIYjAI#v=onepage&q=Farallon Islands from the top of the Marin Headlands.&f=false

Erfisflat · October 2017

Pass off more of your lies as intelligence. We're all having fun at your expense.

Erfisflat · October 2017

flat horizon at over 100,000 feet.

Here's another.

Erfisflat · October 2017

https://www.strava.com/local/us/sf-north-bay/running/routes/97?hl=en-GB

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Fascism · October 2017

NASA is useless. I just can't help but wonder where all their funds are going to. Their rate of research as of now is so slow.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism Thats easy, the funds are going towards developing new CGI technology

Fascism · October 2017

@SilverishGoldNova lol. If you do some common sense calculations with the money, that actually makes a lot of sense. I don't know much about NASA making fake photos, but I'm just saying that financially, that makes sense.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism I did provide a link showing NASA admitting they fake images, but you don't need their word to see it.

Image: http://galeri13.uludagsozluk.com/648/6-temmuz-2017-dunyanin-duz-oldugunun-ispati_1471638.jpg

The continents grow, the continents shrink, the continents change color

Image: http://dev1.debateisland.com/uploads/editor/of/hvdiw169vlm4.jpg

Copied and pasted clouds

My question is why they would need to fake images of the Earth so blatantly if the Earth was truely a ball floating in outerspace, going around the sun faster than sound (Which should prevent us from hearing anything at all, but it doesnt cuz gravituh), specifically around a sun going around the galaxy at 66,000 MPH, specifically a galaxy moving around some magical singularity faster than light (which I thought was scientifically impossible)

Fascism · October 2017

@SilverishGoldNova Holy your right. Their cgi DID get better. They didn't have to cover up as much land with clouds in the 2015 picture than in the 1972 picture.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism In general the heliocentric spinning ball model is baseless. The globe was founded on a primitive understanding of perspective, and now people are suddenly willing to defend it because "muh NASA photos". There was never ANY proof for heliocentrism, it was always a theory made to keep the Sol worshippers happy

Fascism · October 2017

@SilverishGoldNova I've look into your arguments for a flat earth. I'm doing some research on my own to figure this out. And by research on my own, I mean actual experiments which I do myself. I'm not going to trust any media source on this. Of course completely avoiding the media is impossible, but fascism, like the flat earth theory, is constantly attacked by the media with baseless arguments. So I know how it feels to be constantly attacked by all sides.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism Every time someone somewhat well known comes out in favor of the FE model, or someone working for some media company discovers a flat Earther they are immediately swarmed with fallacious attacks by the media (often abusive fallacy, or strawmanning using arguments by TFES shills)

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism although you can see wake spamming insults in this thread

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Fascism If you are curious TFES or the Flat Earth Society is a controlled opposition group designed to distract people from the real flat Earth research, and to make them think it's not worth considering by trying to make it seem ridiculous, like saying that the Earth accelerates up, or that we can fall off the edge but it's protected by armed astronauts. It was founded in 1970 and now exists as an online forum. It's founder made a living from mocking flat Earthers. So if you plan on continuing your flat Earth research, stay away from TFES

Fascism · October 2017

@SilverishGoldNova @SilverishGoldNova I've noticed the difference in your arguments.

Erfisflat · October 2017

SilverishGoldNova said:

@Fascism although you can see wake spamming insults in this thread

I think I shut him up for now.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

Fascism said:

@SilverishGoldNova @SilverishGoldNova I've noticed the difference in your arguments.

We're the same people tho, LOL

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

@Fascism although you can see wake spamming insults in this thread

I think I shut him up for now.

He ended up like Coveny: He responded with basic cliche nonsense, then turned to personal attacks and trolling when called out

Fascism · October 2017

@SilverishGoldNova that name repeat was a typo. I was agreeing with you that the flat earth society had different arguments from you.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

Fascism said:

@SilverishGoldNova that name repeat was a typo. I was agreeing with you that the flat earth society had different arguments from you.

I wouldn't say TFES has "different arguments", they're a shill group. As I have already said, it is a controlled opposition group that mixes the actual flat Earth with lies and satire, to make it seem completely stupid, as if hammering the globe deep into our brains when we first enter a class isn't enough, and it's founder made millions from making fun and mocking flat Earthers

Erfisflat · October 2017

SilverishGoldNova said:

Erfisflat said:

SilverishGoldNova said:

@Fascism although you can see wake spamming insults in this thread

I think I shut him up for now.

He ended up like Coveny: He responded with basic cliche nonsense, then turned to personal attacks and trolling when called out

He started with aneqdotal fallacies and never slowed down.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Erfisflat then rewording: He started off with anecdotal fallacies and then turned to personal attacks.

SilverishGoldNova · October 2017

@Erfisflat Also it seems Trollveny is back, with some more caution signs, and after he finished crying about us on his message boards, he is now crying for special privileges to the admin

PowerPikachu21 · October 2017

I don't think anyone pointed this out, but erfisflat's first picture was clearly photoshopped. You can see the rectangle of the satellite's picture just pasted onto a picture of the Earth.

Erfisflat · October 2017

@PowerPikachu21

It is a screenshot rotated with a picture editor, then screenshotted again. Here is the source video.

You're welcome to make baseless claims, but make them elswhere.

Erfisflat · October 2017

This is photoshopped yes, but I even let this be known with:

"I've superimposed a still from the ISS feed on to of the globe cartoon ball to get an idea of how much the ISS can see of the earth. 3 percent? Maybe..."

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