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The Difference Between Science and Religion
@AlexOland ;
I believe you believe that I am confused. I don't believe I am. I don't believe, that's MY belief, and I am not confused at all about it …. believe me.
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@Plaffelvohfen
Now, before I dismiss your claim as unfounded, what exactly is your evidence that the story is borrowed?
>Debunked? LOL Yeah sure...
Sorry, I do not consider that to be proper evidence.
I'm dismissing your claim. That is what happens when you don't support your arguments. -
floody day
@Plaffelvohfen
>From all the historical artefacts we have, it is demonstrably factual that the Sumerian story predates the biblical one...
And how would artifacts show that?
>Do you have better evidence that would demonstrate otherwise or is an opinion all you have?
Do you mean we must accept your story until I debunk it? I don't think so. You are referring to texts and artifacts. I am referring to the story itself. The Noah story predates the Sumerian one. We have found older Sumerian artifacts, but the Noah story is older.
>And it's Queen with Bowie, but that's irrelevant since I was talking about Vanilla Ice... Typical...
You were talking about "Under Pressure". The tune is Bowie's. He wrote it. Vanilla sampled it.
The Noah story also mentions some natural science facts that confirm it is not a myth, and is older than any other flood story. -
floody day
@Plaffelvohfen>A world-wide deluge, such as described in Genesis, is incompatible with modern scientific understanding of natural history, especially geology and paleontology.How do they know it was local?
That is how we know for a fact, that every flood stories were local occurrences...
There is no natural history of Noah's flood. And geology and paleontology operate only on current knowledge and have both been wrong before.How do you know it is before the Biblical flood?
What year did the Sumerian flood take place?>Let's see... According to biblical scholars, the Flood happened in 2348 BCE...
Which flood? If they mean Noah's flood, they certainly are wrong.
>Various archaeologists suggest there actually were multiple historical floods between 3000 to 5000 BCE all around the globe,...
There have always been floods.
>In Israel, there is no such evidence of a widespread flood....
What would such "evidence" be? Noah's flood preceded the founding Israel.
>The oldest Hebrew manuscripts discovered yet, including those of the Dead Sea Scrolls, date to about the 2nd century BCE. The common traditional dating of the Pentateuch suggests it was written between the 16th century and the 12th century BCE. So let's go with the oldest we can and say 1600 BCE for the age of the bible.
The age of the bible is off topic.>Sumerian literature is the earliest known literature, the Sumerians invented one of the first writing systems by about the 30th century BCE (so abourt 1500 years before the Hebrews).
This is off topic.
>There was already a flood myth in Sumerian cultures (The Epic of Atrahasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh). The translation of many ancient cuneiform tablets confirmed the Mesopotamian flood myth as an antecedent of the Noah story in the Bible.
An earlier date for the Mesopotamian flood is not evidence that the Noah story is derivative.
>Given the similarities in the Mesopotamian flood story and the Biblical account, it would seem that they have a common origin in the memories of the Shuruppak account.
Nonsense. Similarities? It's a flood, how different can flood stories be?
And who in Israel could read Sumerian? People did not widely travel or live multiculturally back then.
You are assuming your bias.
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i beleive god fined tuned the solor system. tell me why i am wrong
this article says this
Consequently, the moon and sun appear exactly the same size in Earth’s sky—making precise solar eclipses possiblemy conclusiongod measured the sun and moon when placing it and as a result of that when you look at it from earth they come out to be the same exact size.god measured it and placed the sun and moon in the perfect spot so that the sun and moon would be the same size from the viewpoint of earth making solar eclipses possiblegod measured everything out perfectly. gods measuring the solar system and placing everything perfect is like how the Egyptians measured out the pyramids and perfectly aligned them with the starsThe Great Pyramids of Giza and Stonehenge seem to be aligned with precision to cardinal points or the positions where the moon, sun or stars
A book i was reading at 11 a few nights ago ." The book of nature" said something that reminded me on how perfectly aligned are solar system is . The book of nature is a book that was written in the 18 century by a fellow named John Mason.the book is in the public domain because it is so old. but it says this on page 50. I have not read far so i do not know were he was going with this.part of page 50the philosopher beholding now,as the prophet beheld formerly,that the almighty architect has literally
adjusted everything by weight and measured the waters meted out the heavens accurately comprehended the dust of the earth, "weighed he mountains in scales and the hills in a balance
It is basically saying that god took into account stuff like the weight on the leaf and he weight it just enough so it can float around.It seems he does not claim this anymore because he says "beheld formerly". but this is exactly what god did with the solar system. he literally adjusted it and measured it till everything was in the perfect spot with no flaws. the sun is in the perfect spot if it was closer or farther away we would either freeze to death or burn to death. god measured it out. Plus you need to bring into account that the sun is coordinated with the moon. It being this perfect and being created by nothing. Is like if i won the lottery ten billion times. so it is impossiblefor nothing to created life.in the article calledThe perfect balance of the solar systemIt talks about how perfectly aligned the solar system is.The sun and moon are perfectly synced. The sun is not to hot or to cold. god measured it till the sun and moon were in the perfect spots. everything is perfectly synced. the article talks about how even the planets could not have formed over a long time but had to be created rapidlyin the articleIt so happens our sun provides the perfect conditions. It’s not too small (i.e., too dim or too cool) or too big (producing unfortunate charbroiled results from simply being too hot). Compared to the intense and violent activity seen on other stars, our sun is remarkably even-tempered and well-mannered—it doesn’t flare or pulse like other stars. When solar flares do occur, they are not so violent as to vaporize our oceans…or worse
On the local level, our moon is equally amazing, leading two secular authors to ask, “Who built the Moon?” Knight and Butler state, “The Moon is 400 times smaller than the star at the center of our solar system, yet it is also just 1/400th of the distance between the Earth and the Sun.” Consequently, the moon and sun appear exactly the same size in Earth’s sky—making precise solar eclipses possible. The authors also say, “By some absolutely incomprehensible quirk of nature, the Moon also manages to precisely imitate the perceived annual movements of the Sun each month.
Wow so the sun is something billion miles away and the moon is something million miles away. But if we look at it from earth they come out to be the same size. the sun is bigger then the moon but because god measured both so when your gazing into the sky from earth . it seems to be the same size.Consequently, the moon and sun appear exactly the same size in Earth’s sky—making precise solar eclipses possible
. god measured it out perfectly so that from the viewpoint of earth the sun and moon are the same sizePlanets Created RapidlyBut even if our neighboring planets somehow formed quickly from accumulating space dust, recently discovered exoplanets (extrasolar planets) have changed secular solar system formation theory.
there scratching there heads at what could have done this.I will let you in on a secret it was god. They try to claim a super star did it.There are many factors that would make a star system too hostile for life to even get started, let alone survive for any period long enough to evolve. So what sort of star provides the perfect conditions for a habitable planet elsewhere in the universe?
They are talking about that space should be hostile if nothing created life. So they ask themselves why is it perfectly balanced this should not be the case if nothing created life and they are correct. Nothing did not create life but God did. that's is why it is perfectly balanced not a super starIt talks about how perfectly synced the sun and moon are along with the stars. The chances of the solar system coming from nothing is if i won the lottery one trillion zillion times. Those odds are impossible thus it must be god who created life. God would have fined tuned everything . a bunch of nothing would not have.this is the link to the book of natureGod created the moon round and the sun round.God created the sun round to go with the round moon.This is like if i got a heart shaped chair to go with a heart shaped table.Or if i get a casaba melon to go with the red water melon.Or if i have red guppy fish so i get a red molly fish to go with it.god created the earth round to go with the round planetswhat are the chances that the moon the sun the earth other planets would all be almost perfect circlesgod created them all round so they would go together and it would be weird if they all look all deformedif life was created by nothing these would look like thisnothing can not make something so perfect
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What qualifies something as a work of Art?
@TKDB
Why do you always totally miss the point of debates and go off on the most bizarre tangents ......wait! You’re not back on the “sauce” again are you ?
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Who Was The Worst President in American History?
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what does socialism mean to you?
I am not sure why "Debra" gave me a 47% considerate rating on my last post. I've said WAY worse $hit on here that has gotten a better rating than that. Debra hates me!!!!! -
Alabama pregnant woman shot in the stomach, then charged for the death of her baby. Breaking news.
Equalising the death of a fetus to a death of an actual person is ridiculous, but so is assuming that a woman who was shot against her will is responsible in any way for what happened.
Edit: Debra, why do you do this to me again? I thought we had something...
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Marijuana should be legal, change my mind.
@John_C_87 ;
None of those published Marijuana Laws, can be USED by you to properly support, your "Ex Post Facto Law" argument, can they?
Show the PUBLIC, where the words "Ex Post Facto Law" are a published part, of any of those individual states Marijuana Laws?
That's the difference between your ideology and those published laws, those laws are copyrighted terms, per each states, aren't they?
So unless, you can explicitly show where your argument "Ex Post Facto Law" is a part of the Marijuana Laws, you're basically, in a sense, a street corner preacher, preaching on the internet?
Therefore your argument is a fraudulent argument, based on the workings of your own mind?
What Post "Ex Post Facto Law" ideology, are you going to conjure up, from your own brain next?
